Centre of mass and centre of gravity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the differences and similarities between the concepts of center of mass and center of gravity, exploring theoretical distinctions and practical implications in various contexts, including gravitational fields.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that their teacher indicated there is a difference between center of mass and center of gravity, but suggested that this difference can be ignored at a basic educational level.
  • Another participant defines the center of gravity as a point where the gravitational force on a point mass equals the gravitational force on the object, while the center of mass is described as a weighted average of positions based on mass or density.
  • A hypothetical example involving a long rod is presented to illustrate that the center of gravity can be below the center of mass, particularly in varying gravitational fields, such as near a space elevator.
  • One participant suggests that if gravitational force were constant, the center of mass and center of gravity would coincide, and acknowledges that in many practical scenarios, they can be considered the same.
  • Another participant argues that in a uniform gravitational field, the center of gravity is not well-defined, as any point can serve as the center of gravity, but it is customary to use the center of mass for this purpose.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of center of mass and center of gravity, with no consensus reached on the significance of the differences in various contexts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on gravitational conditions and the assumptions made regarding uniformity and distance in gravitational fields, which may affect the applicability of the concepts.

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Hi,today my teacher said that there is a little bit different between centre of mass and centre of gravity.
But he said there is no different between them in my level(teenager)
What is the different between them and why we can ignore the differences?
 
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The center of gravity (not necessarily unique) of some object is a point such that the gravitational force acting on a point mass with the same mass as the object and located at that point is the same as the gravitational force acting on the object.

The center of mass of some object has nothing to do with gravity. It is a weighted average of the position of the object, where the weighting is by mass in the case of a collection of objects, or by density in the case of a continuum.


To illustrate the difference, consider a long rod of mass m and length L that is oriented vertically such that the bottom of the rod is a distance r from the center of the Earth. The hypothetical space elevator is a good example. The center of the mass is located halfway up the rod at a distance rCoM=r+L/2 from the center of the Earth. With a little but of calculus, the gravitational force acting on the rod is GMEm/(r(r+L)). Thus the center of gravity is given by rCoG2=r(r+L)=r2+rL. Note that this is below the center of mass. If the rod is very long (e.g., a space elevator), the center of gravity will be well below the center of mass.
 
Thanks, D.H. If I understand what you have said correctly, if the gravitational force were constant, rather than depending on "[itex]1/r^2[/itex]", then "center of mass" and "center of gravity" would be exactly the same. Of course, if, as in most problems, the distances are short enought that gravitational force is constant to a good approximation, then center of mass and center of gravity are the same to a good approximation.
 
The center of gravity per the definition I gave (not mine; it is a fairly standard definition) is not well-defined in a uniform gravity field. The gravitational force is tautologically the same everywhere in a uniform field. This means any point will do, but it is customary to pick the center of mass as the center of gravity.
 

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