Centripetal motion and universal gravitation question: Mars and Sun question

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This discussion focuses on calculating the orbital speed of Mars and the mass of the Sun using centripetal motion and universal gravitation principles. The orbital speed of Mars is determined to be 2.43 x 104 m/s based on its circular orbit with a radius of 2.28 x 1011 m and a period of 1.88 Earth years. The mass of the Sun is calculated using the formula [m1(sun)] = (V2)(r) / (G), resulting in a value of approximately 2.02 x 108 N m/kg2. Proper unit conversion and understanding of the formulas are crucial for accurate results.

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Homework Statement


Mars travels around the Sun in 1.88 (Earth) years, in an approximately circular orbit with a radius of 2.28 x 10^8 km
Determine
a) the orbital speed of Mars (relative to the Sun)
b) the mass of the Sun


Homework Equations



acceleration centripetal = 4(pi^2)(r) / (T^2)
universal attraction = (G)(m1)(m2) / (radius)^2


The Attempt at a Solution



Given:
T = 1.88 years = 59287680s = 5.9x10^7s
r = 2.28 x 10^8km = 2.28 x 10^11m


Orbital speed means centripetal acceleration yes?
Then,

acceleration centripetal = 4(pi^2)(r) / (T^2)
acceleration centripetal = 4(9.869604401)(2.28x10^11m) / (34.81x10^14s)
acceleration centripetal = 90.01x10^11m / 34.81x10^14s
acceleration centripetal = 2.59x10^-3m/s = 0.00259m/s

How come its so slow?
 
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zeion said:
Orbital speed means centripetal acceleration yes?
No. Speed is distance divided by time, not acceleration.
 
Ok so,
Mars travels around the Sun once every 1.88 years. So I have to find the distance of that circle and divide it by the time to find the speed. I have the radius, so I have to find the perimeter.

Perimeter of circle is 2(pi)(r)
So the distance traveled is 14.33x10^11m

In 1.88 years = 5.9x10^7s
So the speed is 14.33x10^11m / 5.9x10^7s = 2.43x10^4m/s yes?
 
Good.
 
Now can I use this formula to solve for mass of Sun?
V^2 = (G)[m1(sun)] / r
[m1(sun)] = (V^2)(r) / (G)
[m1(sun)] = (2.43x10^4m/s)^2(2.28 x 10^11m) / [6.67x10^-11(N)(m^2)/kg^2]
[m1(sun)] = (5.9x10^8m^2/s^2)(2.28 x 10^11m) / [6.67x10^-11(N)(m^2)/kg^2]
[m1(sun)] = (13.45x19^19m^3/s^2) / [6.67x10^-11(N)(m^2)/kg^2]
[m1(sun)] = 2.02x10^8(N)m/kg^2

Why are the units all weird?
 
zeion said:
Now can I use this formula to solve for mass of Sun?
V^2 = (G)[m1(sun)] / r
Good.
[m1(sun)] = (V^2)(r) / (G)
[m1(sun)] = (2.43x10^4m/s)^2(2.28 x 10^11m) / [6.67x10^-11(N)(m^2)/kg^2]
[m1(sun)] = (5.9x10^8m^2/s^2)(2.28 x 10^11m) / [6.67x10^-11(N)(m^2)/kg^2]
[m1(sun)] = (13.45x19^19m^3/s^2) / [6.67x10^-11(N)(m^2)/kg^2]
[m1(sun)] = 2.02x10^8(N)m/kg^2
In your last step you didn't divide the units properly. You should have gotten:
[m^3/s^2]/[(N)(m^2)/kg^2] = [m^3/s^2]*[kg^2/(N)(m^2)] = [m kg^2]/[N s^2]

To simplify further, express Newtons in terms of more fundamental units:
N = kg-m/s^2
 

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