Centripetal motion and universal gravitation question: Mars and Sun question

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The discussion revolves around the orbital motion of Mars around the Sun, specifically focusing on calculating Mars' orbital speed and the mass of the Sun using principles of centripetal motion and universal gravitation.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between centripetal acceleration and orbital speed, with some questioning the initial interpretation of acceleration. Others attempt to calculate the orbital speed by determining the perimeter of Mars' orbit and dividing it by the orbital period.

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Some participants have provided calculations for the orbital speed and have begun discussing how to use this speed to find the mass of the Sun. There are ongoing questions about unit consistency and the application of formulas, indicating a productive exploration of the concepts involved.

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Participants are navigating through the complexities of unit conversions and the implications of using different physical equations, which may lead to confusion regarding the results obtained.

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Homework Statement


Mars travels around the Sun in 1.88 (Earth) years, in an approximately circular orbit with a radius of 2.28 x 10^8 km
Determine
a) the orbital speed of Mars (relative to the Sun)
b) the mass of the Sun


Homework Equations



acceleration centripetal = 4(pi^2)(r) / (T^2)
universal attraction = (G)(m1)(m2) / (radius)^2


The Attempt at a Solution



Given:
T = 1.88 years = 59287680s = 5.9x10^7s
r = 2.28 x 10^8km = 2.28 x 10^11m


Orbital speed means centripetal acceleration yes?
Then,

acceleration centripetal = 4(pi^2)(r) / (T^2)
acceleration centripetal = 4(9.869604401)(2.28x10^11m) / (34.81x10^14s)
acceleration centripetal = 90.01x10^11m / 34.81x10^14s
acceleration centripetal = 2.59x10^-3m/s = 0.00259m/s

How come its so slow?
 
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zeion said:
Orbital speed means centripetal acceleration yes?
No. Speed is distance divided by time, not acceleration.
 
Ok so,
Mars travels around the Sun once every 1.88 years. So I have to find the distance of that circle and divide it by the time to find the speed. I have the radius, so I have to find the perimeter.

Perimeter of circle is 2(pi)(r)
So the distance traveled is 14.33x10^11m

In 1.88 years = 5.9x10^7s
So the speed is 14.33x10^11m / 5.9x10^7s = 2.43x10^4m/s yes?
 
Good.
 
Now can I use this formula to solve for mass of Sun?
V^2 = (G)[m1(sun)] / r
[m1(sun)] = (V^2)(r) / (G)
[m1(sun)] = (2.43x10^4m/s)^2(2.28 x 10^11m) / [6.67x10^-11(N)(m^2)/kg^2]
[m1(sun)] = (5.9x10^8m^2/s^2)(2.28 x 10^11m) / [6.67x10^-11(N)(m^2)/kg^2]
[m1(sun)] = (13.45x19^19m^3/s^2) / [6.67x10^-11(N)(m^2)/kg^2]
[m1(sun)] = 2.02x10^8(N)m/kg^2

Why are the units all weird?
 
zeion said:
Now can I use this formula to solve for mass of Sun?
V^2 = (G)[m1(sun)] / r
Good.
[m1(sun)] = (V^2)(r) / (G)
[m1(sun)] = (2.43x10^4m/s)^2(2.28 x 10^11m) / [6.67x10^-11(N)(m^2)/kg^2]
[m1(sun)] = (5.9x10^8m^2/s^2)(2.28 x 10^11m) / [6.67x10^-11(N)(m^2)/kg^2]
[m1(sun)] = (13.45x19^19m^3/s^2) / [6.67x10^-11(N)(m^2)/kg^2]
[m1(sun)] = 2.02x10^8(N)m/kg^2
In your last step you didn't divide the units properly. You should have gotten:
[m^3/s^2]/[(N)(m^2)/kg^2] = [m^3/s^2]*[kg^2/(N)(m^2)] = [m kg^2]/[N s^2]

To simplify further, express Newtons in terms of more fundamental units:
N = kg-m/s^2
 

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