Centripetal thrust need at high-speed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of relativity on centripetal acceleration, particularly in the context of a fictional starship traveling at relativistic speeds. Participants explore how the Newtonian equation for centripetal acceleration might be modified when velocities approach the speed of light, with a specific focus on maintaining an acceleration of 1 gee.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the Newtonian equation a = V²/R is altered by relativity when V is near c, specifically in the context of a starship flying in a large circle.
  • Another participant suggests modifying the equation to a = (Vγ)²/R, where γ represents the Lorentz factor, indicating a potential adjustment for relativistic effects.
  • A third participant acknowledges the initial response as insufficient and expresses the need to consider additional relativistic factors that may influence the situation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct modification of the centripetal acceleration equation under relativistic conditions, and multiple viewpoints remain regarding the necessary adjustments.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the applicability of classical mechanics in relativistic contexts, and the discussion does not clarify the specific conditions under which the proposed modifications hold true.

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Hi Relativists

My puzzle is inspired by Stephen Baxter's novel "Ring" in which the starship "Great Northern" flies out and back to Earth in a proper time of 1,000 years, but on Earth 5,000,000 years have passed.

The description in the novel suggests that the starship flies in a loop, so I wonder when flying in an immense circle at a high gamma factor just how big the circle has to be if the centripetal acceleration felt onboard ship is just 1 gee? I guess, more generally, how is the Newton equation a = V2/R altered by relativity when V is near c?
 
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This may be of some help.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/rocket.html
 
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Hi Mentz114

Thanks for pointing it out, but I'm already well acquainted with John's pages and on this question his material doesn't give me a direct answer that I can tease out.

But here's my own thoughts. I know the relativistic momentum of a moving mass is mVγ, thus my guess is that the equation needs to be modified to:

a = (Vγ)2/R

...does that sound right?


Mentz114 said:
This may be of some help.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/rocket.html
 
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Yes, that was a rather lame response I made. Your supposition looks right but I'll need to think about it because there may be other relativistic factors. I'm sure someone else will have something add...
 

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