Cerenkov Radiation/Cerenkov Light

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around Cerenkov radiation, specifically addressing the concept of particles traveling faster than the speed of light in a medium. Participants explore the implications of this phenomenon and seek clarification on the nature of light speed in different contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Artermis questions how a particle can be defined as traveling faster than the speed of light in a medium, expressing confusion over this concept.
  • Some participants propose that while particles can appear to outrun light in a medium, light itself still travels at speed c, and the phenomenon is due to light being absorbed and reemitted by matter.
  • Artermis seeks confirmation on the understanding that light moves slower in a medium, suggesting that the particle is not truly faster than light but rather that light has been slowed down.
  • Lyuokdea confirms that particles can exceed the speed of light in a medium, emphasizing that no particle can exceed the speed of light in a vacuum, and notes that this occurs in contexts such as nuclear reactors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of particles traveling faster than light, with some clarifying the conditions under which this occurs. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about light speed in various media and the definitions of speed in different contexts. The nuances of Cerenkov radiation and its implications are not fully explored.

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I have done a search but found no answers to my question; which is, why; by definition...
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Cerenkov radiation: light emitted by a transparent medium when charged particles pass through it at a speed greater than the speed of light in the medium.
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After I read that, I immediately narrowed my eyes.

No sites I have been to have addressed the rather strange thing that the particle is defined to be traveling faster than the speed of light. Can anyone explain this to me? I am having trouble understanding how this particle can move faster than the speed of light.

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the particle isn't actually traveling faster than light. the light still moves at c. it just gets absorbed and reemitted by matter which makes it take longer to go a certain length. though the particle can beat the photon from point a to point b, it is not traveling faster.

iirc, the cerenkov radiation is because the charged particle outruns the photons which make up it's electric field.
 
dear yourdadonapogostick,

ah, i see... so light is actually moving slower in the medium? so it appears as though the particle is outrunning light, it's not, really, light just got the brakes put on it?
pleaes confirm that i have understood this correctly

Thanks,
Artermis
 
that's correct. Remember that no particle can go faster than the speed of light in a vacuum, in a medium where light is slowed down by interactions with matter, it is perfectly acceptable for a particle to move faster than the speed of light, and when this happens, usually in nuclear reactors, the result is Cerenkov Radiation.

~Lyuokdea
 

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