CERN n_TOF experiment: 'Age of the Universe'

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The discussion revolves around the CERN n_TOF experiment and its application in estimating the age of the universe through neutron-induced reactions involving the rhenium-osmium cosmo-chronometer. Participants explore the mechanisms of the n_TOF instruments and the relevance of the rhenium-osmium isotopic system in radiometric dating within cosmology and geochronology.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses excitement about the n_TOF instruments and seeks a detailed explanation of their operation in studying the universe's age through neutron-induced reactions of the rhenium-osmium system.
  • Another participant questions the connection between rhenium-osmium dating and direct measurements of the universe's age, suggesting that rhenium-osmium is used for objects formed after the Big Bang.
  • A different participant notes that elemental indicators can only provide a minimum age for the universe, highlighting uncertainties about the abundance of hydrogen and helium in the early universe.
  • One participant reiterates the point about the rhenium-osmium system being used for dating post-Big Bang formations and references additional resources for more information.
  • Another participant mentions that for rhenium-osmium dating, knowledge of the initial distribution of isotopes is necessary and speculates that n_TOF can investigate the production mechanisms of these isotopes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance and application of the rhenium-osmium system in determining the age of the universe, with some asserting its limitations and others discussing its potential contributions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the connections between the n_TOF experiment and direct measurements of the universe's age.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for understanding initial isotope distributions in rhenium-osmium dating, as well as the limitations of elemental indicators in providing age estimates for the universe.

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Exciting to see CERN coming back to experiments. Of interest is the n_TOF instruments to study the estimated age of the universe through neutron-induced reactions of the 'Rhenium-Osmium'cosmo-chronometer. Anyone have a more detail explanation of how this device works? The rhenium-osmium isotopic system provides one of the newest methods for radiometric dating in cosmo- and geochronology. See: http://www.geochronometria.pl/pdf/geo_27/Geo27_05.pdf

See Cern for more information on this experiment. http://home.cern/about/updates/2017/04/accelerators-awaken
 
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Where exactly do you see a connection?

Rhenium-osmium is used to measure the age of things that formed significantly after the big bang. Direct measurements of the age of the universe are more precise.
 
Elemental indicators can only constrain the minimum age of the universe. It is widely believed that even elemental hydrogen and helium were not necessarily plentiful in the very early universe.
 

mfb said:
Where exactly do you see a connection?
mfb said:

Rhenium-osmium is used to measure the age of things that formed significantly after the big bang. Direct measurements of the age of the universe are more precise.


It is written in the link below but the video in the previous post describes some info about the experiments.

http://home.cern/about/updates/2016/10/ntof-plays-hide-and-seek-cosmological-lithium
 

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