Challenge 1: Multiple Zeta Values

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The discussion revolves around the properties and relationships of multiple zeta values, specifically focusing on proving the relationship \(\zeta(2)^2 = 4 \zeta(3,1) + 2 \zeta(2,2)\). Participants explore definitions, calculations, and potential proofs related to this topic, which encompasses theoretical and mathematical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • Multiple zeta values are defined with specific summation conditions, as illustrated by examples such as \(\zeta(4)\) and \(\zeta(2,2)\).
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the limits of summation in \(\zeta(2,2)\), questioning the handling of cases when \(m=1\).
  • One participant proposes a symmetry argument to relate \(\zeta(2)^2\) to \(\zeta(2,2)\) and \(\zeta(4)\), suggesting that \(\zeta(4) = 4\zeta(3,1)\) is a key relationship.
  • Another participant attempts to derive \(\zeta(4)\) using power series and integrals, indicating the complexity of justifying interchanges of sums and integrals.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of the relationship \(\zeta(4) = 4\zeta(3,1)\), with some suggesting it might be misleading.
  • One participant references a known identity involving multiple zeta values and attempts to derive the relationship through established theorems.
  • There is a discussion about the potential need for more elementary proofs versus the use of specialized theorems in the derivation process.
  • Participants share various approaches and express ongoing efforts to find a clearer or simpler proof.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the relationship \(\zeta(4) = 4\zeta(3,1)\), with some expressing skepticism while others attempt to prove it. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views and approaches presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the complexity of justifying mathematical steps, particularly regarding the interchange of sums and integrals. There are also references to specialized theorems that may not be universally accepted or understood within the context of the discussion.

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A multiple zeta value is defined as
[tex]\zeta(s_1,...,s_k) = \sum_{n_1 > n_2 ... > n_k > 0} \frac{1}{n_1^{s_1} n_2^{s_2}...n_k^{s_k}}[/tex].
For example,
[tex]\zeta(4) = \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^4}[/tex]
and
[tex]\zeta(2,2) = \sum_{m =1}^{\infty} \sum_{n = 1}^{m-1} \frac{1}{ m^2 n^2}[/tex].

Prove the following relationship:
[tex]\zeta(2)^2 = 4 \zeta(3,1) + 2 \zeta(2,2)[/tex]
 
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Office_Shredder said:
[tex]\zeta(2,2) = \sum_{m =1}^{\infty} \sum_{n = 1}^{m-1} \frac{1}{ m^2 n^2}[/tex].

This looks like when m=1, then n goes from 1 to 0 causing the denominator to be zero. Am I mis-interpreting your double sum and if so could you clarify please?
 
The intention is that there are no entries in the sum when m = 1 (if you check the general definition the smallest value n1 can be is 2 if k=2)
 
I hope I'm not violating the rules by posting a partial solution. The FAQ is silent on the subject.

First we note that, by symmetry of ##m## and ##n##,
$$\sum_{m=1}^{\infty}\sum_{n > m} \frac{1}{m^2 n^2} = \sum_{m=1}^{\infty}\sum_{n < m} =
\frac{1}{m^2 n^2} = \zeta(2,2)$$
Therefore, we may write
$$\begin{align}
\zeta(2)^2 &= \sum_{m=1}^{\infty} \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{m^2 n^2} \\
&= \sum_{m=1}^{\infty} \sum_{n<m} \frac{1}{m^2 n^2} + \sum_{m=1}^{\infty} \sum_{n>m} \frac{1}{m^2 n^2} + \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^4} \\
&= 2\zeta(2,2) + \zeta(4)\end{align}$$
So the problem reduces to showing that ##\zeta(4) = 4\zeta(3,1)##. I have a proof for this but the margin is too small to contain it. I'll see if I can find a shorter one.
 
jbunniii said:
I have a proof for this but the margin is too small to contain it. I'll see if I can find a shorter one.

Be careful. Last time I heard someone say that it took about 3 centuries before they got it right.
 
I've been playing around with the usual trick of expressing the series in terms of a power series so calculus techniques can be applied. Formally (without justifying the interchanges of sum and integral), we have:
$$\begin{align}
\zeta(4) &= \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^4}\\
&= \left. \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{x^n}{n^4}\right|_{x=1} \\
&= \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^3} \left.\left(\frac{x^n}{n}\right)\right|_{x=1} \\
&= \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^3} \int_{0}^{1} x^{n-1} dx \\
&= \int_{0}^{1} \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{x^{n-1}}{n^3} dx\\
&= \int_{0}^{1} \frac{1}{x} \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{x^n}{n^3} dx
\end{align}$$
Now we can use almost the same trick with ##\sum x^n / n^3## as we did with ##\sum x^n / n^4##. (Unfortunately we'll have a couple more iterations of this.)
$$\begin{align}
&= \int_{0}^{1} \frac{1}{x} \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^2} \left(\frac{x^n}{n}\right) dx\\
&= \int_{0}^{1} \frac{1}{x} \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^2} \left(\int_{0}^{x} y^{n-1}dy\right) dx\\
&= \int_{0}^{1} \frac{1}{x} \int_{0}^{x} \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{y^{n-1}}{n^2} dy dx \\
&= \int_{0}^{1} \frac{1}{x} \int_{0}^{x} \frac{1}{y} \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{y^n}{n^2} dy dx \\
\end{align}$$
And here we go again...
$$\begin{align}
&= \int_{0}^{1} \frac{1}{x} \int_{0}^{x} \frac{1}{y} \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n} \left(\frac{y^n}{n}\right) dy dx\\
&= \int_{0}^{1} \frac{1}{x} \int_{0}^{x} \frac{1}{y} \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n} \left(\int_{0}^{y}z^{n-1}dz\right) dy dx \\
&= \int_{0}^{1} \frac{1}{x} \int_{0}^{x} \frac{1}{y} \int_{0}^{y} \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{z^{n-1}}{n} dz dy dx \\
&= \int_{0}^{1} \frac{1}{x} \int_{0}^{x} \frac{1}{y} \int_{0}^{y} \frac{1}{z} \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{z^n}{n} dz dy dx \\
\end{align}$$
And one last time...
$$\begin{align}
&= \int_{0}^{1} \frac{1}{x} \int_{0}^{x} \frac{1}{y} \int_{0}^{y} \frac{1}{z} \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \int_{0}^{z} w^{n-1} dw dz dy dx \\
&= \int_{0}^{1} \frac{1}{x} \int_{0}^{x} \frac{1}{y} \int_{0}^{y} \frac{1}{z} \int_{0}^{z} \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} w^{n-1} dw dz dy dx\\
\end{align}$$
Now ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}w^{n-1} = 1/(1-w)## for ##|w| < 1##, so the above reduces to
$$\begin{align}
\int_{0}^{1} \frac{1}{x} \int_{0}^{x} \frac{1}{y} \int_{0}^{y} \frac{1}{z} \int_{0}^{z} \frac{1}{1-w} dw dz dy dx\\
\end{align}$$
Unfortunately after all this work, it's still not clear whether it will get us anywhere. But the next step would be to start manipulating ##\zeta(3,1)## in a similar way and see if we can get a match. Even then, we won't be done, as all the integral-sum interchanges will have to be justified. I think this will be no big deal as we can invoke the uniform convergence of power series.
 
That's a really nice calculation jbunniii - I thought I'd just give you a bit of encouragement by saying that you can get similar formulas for the other zeta values.
 
I've spent some time obtaining a similar expression for ##\zeta(3,1)## but I haven't worked out how to manipulate it to the expression for ##\zeta(4)## with an extra factor of 4. I got tired of that after a while and tried a different approach using summation by parts, but that hasn't worked out yet either. Will keep playing with it as time allows.
 
jbunniii, the relation [itex]\zeta(4) = 4\zeta(3,1)[/itex] might be a red herring...
 
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Office_Shredder said:
jbunniii, the relation [itex]\zeta(4) = 4\zeta(3,1)[/itex] might be a red herring...
Well, that's an intriguing remark... OK, I'll try to think about this a bit more tonight.
 
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Office_Shredder said:
jbunniii, the relation [itex]\zeta(4) = 4\zeta(3,1)[/itex] might be a red herring...
I don't think so. I'll start from the beginning.

I remember, from a kick I had in complex analysis, the beautiful formula $$\zeta(m,n)+\zeta(n,m)=\zeta(m)\zeta(n)-\zeta(m+n).$$

Letting ##n=m=2## gives ##2\zeta(2,2)=\zeta(2)^2-\zeta(4)##.

After about 2 hours of getting nowhere with this, I broke down and asked the internet what it knew about multiple zeta functions. I found this source as a reference. I have used two of its theorems in the following.

To start, I use the Sum Theorem to obtain ##\zeta(4)=\zeta(3,1)+\zeta(2,2)##. Then, I use the pretty little identity shown below the Derivation Theorem to show ##3\zeta(3,1)=\zeta(2,2)##. Plugging this into the above formula, we get ##\zeta(4)=\zeta(3,1)+3\zeta(3,1)=4\zeta(3,1)##.

Thus, ##\zeta(2)^2=2\zeta(2,2)+4\zeta(3,1)##. Halmos.
 
  • #12
Mandelbroth - It seems like you're bringing in some pretty specialized machinery for this. Are you prepared to prove your Sum Theorem and your pretty little identity? :biggrin:

Also, I proved the ##\zeta(m,n)+\zeta(n,m)=\zeta(m)\zeta(n)-\zeta(m+n)## identity for the special case ##m=n=2## in post #4. No complex analysis required.

I've assumed thus far that there must be a relatively elementary proof that doesn't require developing an extensive amount of theory about the zeta function. Slicing and dicing the sums the right way, most likely. Office_Shredder's most recent hint suggests that the way I sliced it in the first post might not be the right way, so I'm going back to the beginning to try again.
 
  • #13
Oops, deleted my last message due to some indexing errors. I'll save it and post an edited version later.
 
  • #14
jbunniii said:
Mandelbroth - It seems like you're bringing in some pretty specialized machinery for this. Are you prepared to prove your Sum Theorem and your pretty little identity? :biggrin:
There are proofs in the references given in the link. :-p

I agree that there is, probably, a more elementary method. I'll keep working on it after I finish my Spanish homework, and I'll see where we are in the morning.
 
  • #15
The intent of the question was that it was supposed to be self-contained as far as necessary knowledge of multiple zeta values (and there are multiple ways to solve the problem like this that I know of, have no fear!)

I will admit that was a solid combination of googling and applying of theorems.
 
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Well, since there hasn't been any posts here in a while I thought I would give a small prod by noting that another way of writing, for example, [itex]\zeta(2,2)[/itex] is
[tex]\zeta(2,2) = \sum_{m,n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{m^2(m+n)^2}[/tex]
and there are similar expressions for the other multiple zeta values that should be obvious. Maybe this form is a bit easier to work with for what you guys are trying.
 
  • #17
There still exists a completely elementary three line proof waiting to be found!
 
  • #18
We follow Office_Shredder's latest advice:

[tex] \zeta(2,2) = \sum_{m=2}^{\infty} \sum_{n=1}^{m-1} \frac{1}{m^2n^2}<br /> = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \sum_{m=n+1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{m^2n^2}<br /> = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \sum_{m=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{(n+m)^2n^2}[/tex]

Similarly:

[tex] \zeta(3,1) = \sum_{m=2}^{\infty} \sum_{n=1}^{m-1} \frac{1}{m^3n}<br /> = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \sum_{m=n+1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{m^3n}<br /> = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \sum_{m=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{(n+m)^3n}[/tex]

Our goal is to prove that

[tex] \sum_{n,m=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^2m^2} = \sum_{n,m=1}^{\infty}<br /> \Big(\frac{4}{(n+m)^3n} + \frac{2}{(n+m)^2n^2}\Big)[/tex]

With finite amount of work we get

[tex] \frac{4}{(n+m)^3n} + \frac{2}{(n+m)^2n^2} - \frac{1}{n^2m^2} = \cdots<br /> = \frac{(m-n)^3}{(n+m)^3n^2m^2}[/tex]

The sum over this is zero due to the antisymmetricity with respect to [itex]n[/itex] and [itex]m[/itex]. In other words, the sums over the regions [itex]n>m[/itex] and [itex]n<m[/itex] cancel each other.
 

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