Chandrasekhar limit equation/white dwarf mass-radius relation

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The discussion revolves around the Chandrasekhar limit and the mass-radius relationship of white dwarfs. Participants seek clarification on the equations associated with these concepts, particularly regarding their interpretations and the implications of the relationships presented in various sources.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over the various equations related to the Chandrasekhar limit and seeks a reliable source for clarification.
  • Another participant questions the interpretation of the mass-radius relationship for white dwarfs, noting that their understanding suggests a smaller radius with increasing mass, contrary to what they perceive from a specific equation.
  • A request is made for the original equation used by the participant to clarify their working and identify any potential errors in their reasoning.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of showing the working to facilitate understanding and points out that a referenced page states the radius is proportional to M^(-1/3), which contradicts the participant's claim.
  • One participant shares a derived equation for the white dwarf mass-radius relation, providing a specific formula and referencing their source.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the interpretation of the mass-radius relationship, with some expressing confusion and others providing differing perspectives on the equations involved.

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There are references to multiple equations and interpretations, but the discussion does not resolve the discrepancies or clarify the assumptions behind the equations presented.

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Hey there,

I have a couple of questions that may seem a little stupid, but anyway:

I've been a bit of research into the Chandrasekhar limit and have unsuccessfully tried to find an equation/estimation that sums it up as I have seen so many floating around on the internet. Variations from the one found on wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrasekhar_limit ) seem to be used a lot but I know wiki isn't exactly the most reliable of sources. If anyone could clarify this for me, that would be great :)

Another thing I wanted to ask was about the equation found on this page: http://www.astrophysicsspectator.com/topics/degeneracy/DegeneracyPressureRadius.html

I've been recommended this as a reasonably good source (by my teacher at school) but I've a problem with the equation on that page specifically; the mass-radius relationship for a white dwarf is, as I understand it, such that the more massive it is, the smaller it is. Rearranging that equation for the radius seems to show that the radius is proportional to the mass (as opposed to inversely).

Any help would be great, thanks in advance! :)
 
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Monkey Face said:
Rearranging that equation for the radius seems to show that the radius is proportional to the mass (as opposed to inversely).

Which equation did you start from? Perhaps you would like to show us your working?
 
yenchin said:
Which equation did you start from? Perhaps you would like to show us your working?

I literally used what they gave on that link I put above.
 
Monkey Face said:
I literally used what they gave on that link I put above.

Yes. But *which* equation? There are a few of them. And the page explicitly says that "Equating these two relationships shows that the radius is proportional to M^(-1/3)". The reason I asked is that if you don't show us your working then it is hard for anyone here to point out what could have gone wrong. The wikipedia page looks fine by the way.
 

The best white dwarf mass-radius relation that I have numerically integrated is:
R_{\ast} = \frac{(9 \pi)^{2/3} \hbar^2}{8 G m_e m_p^{5/3} M_{\ast}^{1/3}} \; \; \; \; \; \; \mu_e = 2

The white dwarf mass-radius relation equation solution that I derived is:
\boxed{R_{\ast} = \left( \frac{3}{2} \right)^{4/3} \frac{\pi^{2/3} \hbar^2}{G m_e (\mu_e m_p)^{5/3} M_{\ast}^{1/3}}}
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Reference:
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/sm1/lectures/node87.html"
 

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