Change in potential energy problem

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a uniform cord that transitions from being stuck to a ceiling to hanging vertically. Participants are tasked with determining the change in gravitational potential energy associated with this change in orientation, utilizing concepts from calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using integral calculus and the center of mass to analyze the problem. There are attempts to set up an integral for potential energy, with questions about the mass of differential slices of the cord and how to express it in terms of the total mass and length.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and guidance on how to approach the problem using integration. There is exploration of different methods, and participants are questioning the correct formulation of the mass of a slice of the cord.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about their understanding of integrals and the application of calculus to the problem. The original poster has indicated a need for assistance in applying these concepts effectively.

Cherrybawls
Messages
18
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


A uniform cord of length 25cm and mass 15g is initially stuck to a ceiling. Later, it hangs vertically from the cieling with only one end still stuck. What is the change in the gravitational potential energy of the cord with this change in orientation? (Hint: Consider a differential slice of the cord and then use integral calculus)


Homework Equations


Ug=mgh


The Attempt at a Solution


Well in calculus we have only recently started integrals so my understanding of integrals is shaky at best, so i am not really sure how to apply them to this problem... any push in the right direction would be appreciated
 
Physics news on Phys.org
A better idea, use centre of mass instead.
 
Hi Cherrybawls! :smile:
Cherrybawls said:
A uniform cord of length 25cm and mass 15g is initially stuck to a ceiling. Later, it hangs vertically from the cieling with only one end still stuck. What is the change in the gravitational potential energy of the cord with this change in orientation? (Hint: Consider a differential slice of the cord and then use integral calculus)
aim1732 said:
A better idea, use centre of mass instead.

Yes (you could lower the whole cord half-way, and then rotate it!), but you'd better do it the way they've hinted, since it's to give you practice (which you need! :wink:) at integration.

The general method is to slice the length (or area or volume) into bits of thickness d(something), treat each bit separately, and then "add" all the bits.

So choose a slice between x and x + dx, decide how much PE it gets, and integrate. :smile:
 
so would I be right in writing:

Ug= ∫0.25mgx dx? If I set the lowest point of the rope equal to 0 and x cooresponds to the height of the rope?
 
Cherrybawls said:
so would I be right in writing:

Ug= ∫0.25mgx dx? If I set the lowest point of the rope equal to 0 and x cooresponds to the height of the rope?

Yes, except the mass of the slice from x to x + dx isn't m, is it? :wink:
 
I'm not quite sure, is it another variable or is it something like m/x?
 
Cherrybawls said:
I'm not quite sure, is it another variable or is it something like m/x?

Well, it's not m/x (where x is the distance from the slice to one end of the cord), but it's something similar.

The mass of the whole cord is 15g, the cord has length 0.25m, so what is the mass of a bit of the cord of length dx ?
 
m/dx? I am just gessing really...
 

Similar threads

Replies
9
Views
1K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
3K
Replies
5
Views
9K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
14K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
6K