Change of Entropy in 10 Ohm Resistor at 300K

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The discussion revolves around the change of entropy in a 10 ohm resistor maintained at a temperature of 300 K while a current of 5 A is passed through it for 2 minutes. The original poster attempts to calculate the change in entropy using the formula involving heat transfer and questions the book's assertion that the entropy change is zero.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between entropy and state variables, questioning why the entropy change is considered zero in this scenario compared to other processes like isothermal expansion.

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Some participants provide insights into the reasoning behind the book's answer, discussing the nature of state variables and the conditions under which entropy changes occur. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the differences between the resistor and gas expansion scenarios.

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There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions regarding heat flow and the definitions of state variables in the context of the problem. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the conditions under which entropy is calculated.

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A 10 ohms resistor is held at temperature of 300 K. A current of 5 A is passed through the conductor for 2 mins. Ignoring changes in the source of the current, what is the change of entropy in the resistor.

I solved it like this:
\Delta S=\int dS=\int\frac{dQ}{T}=\frac{1}{T}\int dQ=\frac{\Delta Q}{T}=\frac{I^2Rt}{T}

However, the book says the answer is 0, because temperature is held constant. Well, so is during an isothermal expansion, but there the change of entropy is Rln2. I believe the answer lies in that the isothermal expansion is reversible process, while the dissipation of heat in the conductor isn't, so there the change of entropy must be 0, but can someone explain it in detail.
 
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A better book answer would be that the state of the resistor---temperature, volume, mass---is the same at the beginning and the end of the process, and because entropy is a state variable (i.e., its value depends upon the state only), the entropy change must be zero. The same isn't true for a gas expansion because the volume has changed.
 
Just to add to what Mapes has said, looking at this the way your book does, in order to keep the resistor at a constant temperature of T=300K the heat flow out of the resistor (-Q) has to equal the heat flow into the resistor (+Q) so the net change in entropy is -Q/T + Q/T = 0. With a gas, one keeps the gas at a constant temperature by expanding the gas so there need not be heat flow out of the gas in order to maintain constant temperature. You can't do that with a resistor.

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thank you a lot
 

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