Change of variable, second order differentiation

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The discussion centers on calculating the second derivative of a function w = f(x,y) after a change of variables where x = u + v and y = u - v. The initial attempt at finding the first derivative dw/dx was incorrect, as it did not properly apply the chain rule for partial derivatives. The correct approach involves using the chain rule to express the derivatives with respect to u and v, leading to the necessary second partial derivatives. Clarifications were provided on how to simplify the derivatives based on the relationships between the variables. Ultimately, the participant expressed gratitude for the guidance, which helped them arrive at the correct answer.
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Okay, so my problem lies within taking the second derivative of a change of variable equation.

w = f(x,y); x = u + v, y = u - v

so far I have the first derivative:

dw/dx = (dw/dv)(dv/dx) + (dw/du)(du/dx) = (d/dv + d/du)w

Now I'm having problems in finding my second derivative:

d2w/dx2 = ?

I don't necessarily want the answer, but more of how to get to the answer. I figure if I get how to do it with dw/dx, dw/dy would follow suit.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks.
 
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All your derivatives are partial derivatives, and your formula for dw/dx is completely wrong.

\frac{\partial w}{\partial x} is just itself; you can't do much with it without knowing more about f(x, y). What I think you want is the partial of w with respect to u, and possibly the partial of w with respect to v. From these you can get the second partials.

Here's the formula for the chain rule in Leibniz notation for your problem:

\frac{\partial w}{\partial u}~=~\frac{\partial w}{\partial x} \frac{\partial x}{\partial u}+ \frac{\partial w}{\partial y} \frac{\partial y}{\partial u}

This formula can be simplified, since
\frac{\partial x}{\partial u}~=~\frac{\partial x}{\partial v}~=~1

and

\frac{\partial y}{\partial u}~=~1
\frac{\partial y}{\partial v}~=~-1

\frac{\partial w}{\partial v} is calculated in a similar manner as was used for the partial of w with respect to u, by replacing u everywhere it appears in the formula above with v.
 
First I would like to thank you very much, also I knew they were partials, but I'm a noob to this forum, and didn't know how to put down partials!

The way I started to set it up, was with how the book explained to do it, but your way would probably be my normal approach. I did manage to get the right answer thanks to your help!

:biggrin:
 
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