Characterizing linear independence in terms of span

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The discussion revolves around characterizing linear independence in terms of span within a vector space, particularly focusing on the implications of linear dependence and independence. Participants explore definitions, theorems, and proofs related to these concepts without assuming prior knowledge of dimension.

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  • One participant claims that if no proper subset of a set of vectors generates the span of that set, then the set must be linearly independent, leading to a contrapositive statement regarding linear dependence.
  • The same participant struggles to prove their claim in a general case, noting that they can only prove it when the set is of a specific form involving a linearly independent subset and an additional vector.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the definitions of linear independence and dependence being used in the discussion.
  • A further response provides definitions, stating that a subset is linearly dependent if a linear combination of its vectors equals zero with non-zero coefficients, and independent if it is not dependent.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of a basis as a maximal set of linearly independent vectors, suggesting that adding a non-zero vector to such a set results in linear dependence and emphasizes the finiteness of linear expressions in this context.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the generality of the initial claim and definitions of linear independence and dependence. There is no consensus on the implications of the theorem or the definitions being used, indicating multiple competing views.

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The discussion lacks a clear resolution on the implications of linear independence and dependence, particularly in relation to the definitions and theorems being referenced. There are also limitations regarding the assumptions made about the nature of vector spaces and the absence of convergence concepts.

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I'm reading Linear Algebra by Friedberg, Insel and Spence. Prior to a theorem, they make a statement about linear independence and they claim this can be deduced from the theorem.
Throughout, let ##\mathsf V## be a vector space (the concept of dimension has not been introduced yet). The statement that precedes the theorem below is that if no proper subset of ##T\subset \mathsf V## generates the span of ##T## (where, if I'm not mistaken, ##T## consists of two or more vectors) then ##T## must be linearly independent. Taking the contrapositive,

Claim: If ##T\subset\mathsf V## is linearly dependent, then there is some proper subset ##S\subset T## such that ##\operatorname{span}(S)=\operatorname{span}(T)##.

Theorem: Let ##S\subset \mathsf V## be linearly independent and let ##v\notin S##. Then ##S\cup\{v\}## is linearly dependent if and only if ##v\in\operatorname{span}(S)##.

I'm trying to prove the claim from the theorem. What I struggle with is that I only seem to be able to prove the claim when ##T=S\cup\{v\}##, where ##S## is linearly independent and ##v\notin S##. Then the theorem tells us that ##v\in\operatorname{span}(S)##. This in turn implies ##\operatorname{span}(S)=\operatorname{span}(S\cup\{v\})## (see below for a proof of why this is implied by ##v\in\operatorname{span}(S)##). Hence we can take the proper subset ##S\subset S\cup\{v\}=T## as the set in the claim preceding the theorem. But what if ##T## is not of the form ##S\cup\{v\}##? I feel like I've only proved a very special case.

Regarding ##v\in\operatorname{span}(S)\implies\operatorname{span}(S)=\operatorname{span}(S\cup\{v\})##, the inclusion ##\operatorname{span}(S)\subset\operatorname{span}(S\cup\{v\})## always holds. The reverse inclusion follows since any ##w\in \operatorname{span}(S\cup\{v\})## can be written as ##w=a_1u_1+\cdots +a_nu_n+bv##, where ##u_1,\ldots,u_n\in S##. Since ##v\in\operatorname{span}(S)##, ##w## is actually a linear combination of vectors in ##S##.
 
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What definition of linear independence and linear dependence are you using?
 
PeroK said:
What definition of linear independence and linear dependence are you using?
A subset ##S## of a vector space ##\mathsf V## is linearly dependent if there exists a finite number of distinct vectors ##u_1,\ldots,u_n## in ##S## and scalars, ##a_1,\ldots,a_n##, not all zero such that $$a_1u_1+\cdots+a_nu_n=0.$$ A subset ##S## of ##\mathsf V## is linearly independent if it is not linearly dependent.

It was a bit of a mess in post #1, but I think I've figured it out. :smile:
 
The idea is to approach the concept of a basis as a maximal set of linearly independent vectors without requiring that it is finite. Add one non-zero vector to such a set and it isn't linearly independent anymore, which in return automatically generates a linear expression in terms of basis vectors. Note that such a linear expression is always finite. There are no infinite series as we in general do not have a concept of convergence! That would require a topological vector space, e.g. a metric.
 
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