Characterizing the adjoint representation

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The discussion revolves around characterizing the adjoint representation of the special unitary group SU(N) and the matrix Λ(U) associated with this representation. Participants explore the properties of this matrix, its independent components, and the implications of the adjoint action respecting the Lie bracket. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects of group homomorphisms and the structure of the adjoint representation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to characterize the matrix Λ(U) and understand the independence of its elements, noting its relation to SO(N² - 1) and the preservation of a 3-form.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of determining a matrix with O(n⁴) entries and O(n²) free parameters, suggesting that it may lead back to SU(n).
  • A participant mentions that calculations with Λ(U) are easier than with U, but expresses difficulty in identifying the independent components of Λ(U).
  • It is noted that the adjoint representation is a group homomorphism from SU(n) to GL(𝔰𝔲(n)), indicating that all columns or rows of Ad(u) are linearly independent, while also stating that Ad itself is not linear.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and complexity of characterizing the matrix Λ(U), with some questioning its relevance and others emphasizing its utility in calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the characterization and implications of the adjoint representation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the independence of components and the nature of the adjoint representation. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in characterizing Λ(U) or the implications of its properties.

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Let U ∈ SU(N) and {ta} be the set of generators of su(N), a = 1, ..., N2 - 1. The action of the adjoint representation of U on some generator ta can be written as

Ad(U)ta = Λ(U)abtb

I want to characterize the matrix Λ(U), i. e., I want to see which of its elements are independent. It's known that it belongs to a subspace of SO(N2 - 1), and we can derive some constraints by saying that the adjoint action respects the Lie bracket. Here https://mathoverflow.net/questions/179032/characterising-the-adjoint-representation-of-sun it says that the most general characteristic of the adjoint representation is that it preserves some 3-form, but I can't find the details (I don't really know what am I looking for). Does you guys know some place where I can find details about this kind of characterization of the adjoint representation for compact groups? Thanks!
 
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Luck0 said:
Let U ∈ SU(N) and {ta} be the set of generators of su(N), a = 1, ..., N2 - 1. The action of the adjoint representation of U on some generator ta can be written as

Ad(U)ta = Λ(U)abtb

I want to characterize the matrix Λ(U), i. e., I want to see which of its elements are independent. It's known that it belongs to a subspace of SO(N2 - 1), and we can derive some constraints by saying that the adjoint action respects the Lie bracket. Here https://mathoverflow.net/questions/179032/characterising-the-adjoint-representation-of-sun it says that the most general characteristic of the adjoint representation is that it preserves some 3-form, but I can't find the details (I don't really know what am I looking for). Does you guys know some place where I can find details about this kind of characterization of the adjoint representation for compact groups? Thanks!
Why do you want to know a matrix with ##O(n^4)## entries and ##O(n^2)## free parameters? The more as you get basically ##SU(n)## again?
 
fresh_42 said:
Why do you want to know a matrix with ##O(n^4)## entries and ##O(n^2)## free parameters? The more as you get basically ##SU(n)## again?
It turns out that doing my calculations with Λ(U) is way more easy than doing it with U. The only problem is that the difficulty now is identifying the independent components
 
Luck0 said:
It turns out that doing my calculations with Λ(U) is way more easy than doing it with U. The only problem is that the difficulty now is identifying the independent components
##\operatorname{Ad}\; : \; SU(n) \longrightarrow GL(\mathfrak{su}(n))## is a group homomorphism and ##\operatorname{Ad}(u)## is a regular matrix for any ##u \in SU(n)##, which means all ##n^2-1## columns (or rows) of ##\operatorname{Ad}(u)## are linear independent. ##\operatorname{Ad}## itself isn't linear, so no matrix here.
 

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