Charged Particles and Ionization

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the ionization of particles, specifically focusing on the behavior of charged and neutral particles in a bubble chamber and other contexts. Participants explore the mechanisms of ionization, the role of photons, and the implications of particle decay on track visibility in bubble chambers.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that bubble chambers only show charged particles because they ionize the hydrogen, while questioning whether only charged particles can ionize.
  • Another participant clarifies that photons can ionize atoms but do not leave tracks in bubble chambers, as they are destroyed or lose energy in the process.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the decay of charged particles into neutral ones and the implications for track visibility, suggesting that the distance where the track disappears relates to the neutral particle's lifetime.
  • It is proposed that neutral particles can ionize, but only through rare close collisions, with examples such as Compton scattering and neutron interactions provided.
  • One participant contrasts the behavior of charged particles, which have a long-range electric field and can cause both high-energy and low-energy ionization events, contributing to track formation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the ionization capabilities of neutral particles and the conditions under which they can ionize. There is no consensus on the extent to which neutral particles contribute to ionization compared to charged particles.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the conditions under which neutral particles can ionize and the specific interactions required for such events to occur. The role of particle decay and its effects on track visibility in bubble chambers remains complex and unresolved.

Vortexology
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I'm studying A Level physics. I've read that a bubble chamber only shows up particles with a charge, as they ionize the hydrogen in the chamber, leaving tracks, whereas neutral particles don't show up. Is it therefore true then that only charged particles ionize? Because UV-radiation is ionizing and photons don't have a charge.

Is it that charged particles are the only ones to ionize in the circumstances, i.e. in hydrogen?

Hope this makes sense.
 
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Photons can ionize atoms, but they are destroyed in the process (or lose a significant fraction of their energy) - they do not leave tracks in the bubble chamber. The electrons which were hit by the photons can leave those tracks, however.
 
mfb said:
Photons can ionize atoms, but they are destroyed in the process (or lose a significant fraction of their energy) - they do not leave tracks in the bubble chamber. The electrons which were hit by the photons can leave those tracks, however.

So say if a charged particle decays and one of the products is neutral, which then goes on to decay into two oppositely charged particles, then the distance where the track disappears - I.e where the neutral particle was - is caused by the time it takes for that particle to be destroyed? Sorry I'm still a bit confused about this.
 
Vortexology said:
So say if a charged particle decays and one of the products is neutral, which then goes on to decay into two oppositely charged particles, then the distance where the track disappears - I.e where the neutral particle was - is caused by the time it takes for that particle to be destroyed?
Right, the distance between the two points of decays correspond to the flight distance of the neutral particle.
 
Neutral particles can ionize, but they do so only on rare close collisions. For example a photon ionizes on each Compton scattering event, giving a large amount of energy to a single charged electron, but then passes a long distance without any interaction save slight retardation and refraction. A neutron ionizes when it bounces off a proton - but these are rare events, and most of them give a lot of energy to the proton. Small energy collisions are possible, but these are especially rare - they only happen on a rare glancing collisions.

Whereas a charged particle has a long range electric field. It generates a few high energy collisions on direct hits to charge centres, but a lot of low energy ionization events at large distances. It is these low energy ionizations that form a track.
 

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