Checking Graphs: Are the Results Accurate?

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The discussion revolves around the accuracy of graphs related to the motion of two masses, ##m_1## and ##m_2##, under the influence of a force ##F## and friction. Participants are examining the behavior of the system, particularly focusing on the acceleration of the masses and the implications of static and kinetic friction.

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  • Participants are questioning the clarity of the problem statement regarding the positioning of the masses and the implications of static versus kinetic friction on acceleration. They are exploring the reasoning behind expected changes in acceleration and discussing the graphical representation of these changes.

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There is an active exploration of the assumptions regarding the system's behavior, particularly concerning the discontinuity in acceleration and the relationship between the slopes of the graphs. Some participants have provided insights into their reasoning, while others are seeking clarification on specific points.

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There is a noted ambiguity in the problem statement regarding the arrangement of the masses, which may affect the interpretation of the results. Additionally, the discussion includes considerations of the scale and accuracy of the graphical representations being analyzed.

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Homework Statement
Acceleration of Blocks Due to a Time Varying Force: A block m, is placed on smooth ground over which another mass m, is placed. Friction coefficient between m, and m₂ is u. Now a time varying horizontal external force F = bt is applied on m2. Find acceleration of block with time and plot acceleration v/s time graph of both blocks.
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F = ma
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I have attempted this question - Are the graphs correct?
 

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Is ##m_2## sitting on top of ##m_1##? It isn't clear in the problem statement.
 
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erobz said:
Is ##m_2## sitting on top of ##m_1##? It isn't clear in the problem statement.
Yes, it is. Sorry for not mentioning it earlier
 

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What causes the discontinuity?
 
1) What is the reasoning that you expect a drop in acceleration for ##m_2## once the force ##F## exceeds the static friction between the masses (think about the change in force acting on each of the masses from static to kinetic friction)?

2) The slope of the acceleration vs time before and after the discontinuity appear parallel to me, is that drawn to scale (they won't be parallel)?

3) For the same reason in (1), how does that effect the graph for ##m_1## (there is a missing discontinuity there)?
 
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1) What is the reasoning that you expect a drop in acceleration for ##m_2## once the force ##F## exceeds the static friction between the masses?

2) The slope of the acceleration vs time before and after the discontinuity appear parallel to me, is that drawn to scale?
Yes, it is supposed to be parallel Here is my working if you want to take a look
 

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1) What is the reasoning that you expect a drop in acceleration for ##m_2## once the force ##F## exceeds the static friction between the masses?

2) The slope of the acceleration vs time before and after the discontinuity appear parallel to me, is that drawn to scale?
 

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So, you think the slope of ##a_2(t)## before and after ##t = \frac{\mu m_2g}{b}## are equal. Hmmm.

Before the force of static friction is exceeded what is the acceleration ##a_2(t)## of ##m_2##? What is the acceleration ##a_1(t)## of ##m_1##?
 
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So, you think the slope of ##a_2(t)## before and after ##t = \frac{\mu m_2g}{b}## are equal. Hmmm.

Before the force of static friction is exceeded what is the acceleration ##a_2(t)## of ##m_2##? What is the acceleration ##a_1(t)## of ##m_1##?
Both are the same: bt/m1
 
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Both are the same:
The first part is correct. They are both the same.
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bt/m1
The second part is not.
 
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erobz said:
The first part is correct. They are both the same.

The second part is not.
Could you please explain why?
 
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Could you please explain why?
How much mass is being accelerated by the applied force ##F## on ##m_2##?

Remember, we are talking about a time before they (##m_1## & ##m_2##) "unstick" at this point.
 
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