Checking if a function is an equipotential surface

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The discussion revolves around determining whether a function \( f(x,y,z) = \lambda \) can represent an equipotential surface. Participants reference a theorem involving the condition \( \frac{\nabla^{2} f}{|\vec{\nabla f}|^{2}} = \phi(\lambda) \) and explore its applicability in spherical coordinates, as well as the intuition behind the theorem.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between \( \nabla f \) and \( \nabla V \), suggesting that \( \nabla f \) must be parallel to \( \nabla V \) for \( f(x,y,z) = \lambda \) to be an equipotential surface. There are inquiries about the assumptions made regarding the dependence of \( \alpha \) on \( \mathbf{x} \) and the implications of vector notation across different coordinate systems.

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Some participants express clarity on certain steps of the derivation, while others seek further explanation on specific transitions in the mathematical reasoning. The discussion appears to be productive, with participants actively engaging in the exploration of the theorem and its implications.

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There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions related to the behavior of \( \alpha \) and its constancy on surfaces of constant \( f \). The applicability of the theorem in spherical coordinates is also under consideration.

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Homework Statement
checking if a function is could form an equipotential surface
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laplacian(f)/ |grad(f)|^2 = constant
hi guys
I came across that theorem that could be used to check if a surface represented by the function f(x,y,z) = λ could represent an equipotential surface or not, and it states that if this condition holds:
$$\frac{\nabla^{2}\;f}{|\vec{\nabla\;f}|^{2}} = \phi(\lambda)$$
then f(x,y,z) could represent an equipotential surface, my question here is this theorem applicaple also in spherical cordinates as its or it should be modifed? also can some one explain the intuition behind it
 
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f(x,y,z) = \lambda will be an equipotential surface if \nabla f is everywhere parallel to \nabla V. Thus <br /> \nabla f = \alpha(\mathbf{x})\nabla V where \alpha \neq 0. Then <br /> \begin{split}<br /> \nabla^2f &amp;= \alpha\nabla^2 V + \nabla \alpha \cdot \nabla V<br /> &amp;= \frac{\nabla \alpha}{\alpha} \cdot \nabla f<br /> \end{split} assuming \nabla^2 V = 0. You can then get <br /> \nabla^2 f = \frac 1{\alpha(\lambda)} \frac{d\alpha}{d\lambda} \|\nabla f\|^2 = \phi(\lambda)\|\nabla f\|^2 if you assume that \alpha depends on \mathbf{x} only in the combination f(\mathbf{x}) but I don't see why that assumption is required.

As the result is obtained using vector notation, it is valid in any orthogonal coordinate system.
 
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f(x,y,z) = \lambda will be an equipotential surface if \nabla f is everywhere parallel to \nabla V. Thus <br /> \nabla f = \alpha(\mathbf{x})\nabla V where \alpha \neq 0. Then <br /> \begin{split}<br /> \nabla^2f &amp;= \alpha\nabla^2 V + \nabla \alpha \cdot \nabla V<br /> &amp;= \frac{\nabla \alpha}{\alpha} \cdot \nabla f<br /> \end{split} assuming \nabla^2 V = 0. You can then get <br /> \nabla^2 f = \frac 1{\alpha(\lambda)} \frac{d\alpha}{d\lambda} \|\nabla f\|^2 = \phi(\lambda)\|\nabla f\|^2 if you assume that \alpha depends on \mathbf{x} only in the combination f(\mathbf{x}) but I don't see why that assumption is required.

As the result is obtained using vector notation, it is valid in any orthogonal coordinate system.
thanks its clear now, but can you explain the last step
<br /> \nabla^2 f = \frac 1{\alpha(\lambda)} \frac{d\alpha}{d\lambda} \|\nabla f\|^2 = \phi(\lambda)\|\nabla f\|^2
 
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pasmith said:
f(x,y,z) = \lambda will be an equipotential surface if \nabla f is everywhere parallel to \nabla V. Thus <br /> \nabla f = \alpha(\mathbf{x})\nabla V where \alpha \neq 0. Then <br /> \begin{split}<br /> \nabla^2f &amp;= \alpha\nabla^2 V + \nabla \alpha \cdot \nabla V<br /> &amp;= \frac{\nabla \alpha}{\alpha} \cdot \nabla f<br /> \end{split} assuming \nabla^2 V = 0. You can then get <br /> \nabla^2 f = \frac 1{\alpha(\lambda)} \frac{d\alpha}{d\lambda} \|\nabla f\|^2 = \phi(\lambda)\|\nabla f\|^2 if you assume that \alpha depends on \mathbf{x} only in the combination f(\mathbf{x}) but I don't see why that assumption is required.

Taking the curl of the first equation gives <br /> 0 = \nabla \alpha \times \nabla V = \alpha(\nabla \alpha \times \nabla f) so \nabla \alpha and \nabla f are parallel. Thus \alpha is constant on surfaces of constant f, so indeed \alpha = \alpha(\lambda).
 
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