Chemical Kinetics: velocity and equilibrium

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the velocity of chemical reactions and their relationship to equilibrium, specifically examining the equations that describe these concepts in the context of chemical kinetics. Participants explore the validity of certain equations and their dimensional consistency, as well as the implications of approaching equilibrium on reaction rates.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a relationship for reaction velocity that incorporates equilibrium, questioning its arbitrariness and suggesting alternative formulations might exist.
  • Another participant critiques the dimensional consistency of a book's equation for first-order reactions, prompting a request for definitions of terms used in the equations.
  • A participant clarifies the definitions of terms such as concentration and kinetic constant, emphasizing the need for dimensional agreement in the equations.
  • A later reply corrects the second formula for reaction velocity, presenting it as a difference between the rates of the forward and reverse reactions, adjusted for concentration ratios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correctness of certain equations, particularly the one from the book. There is no consensus on the best formulation for the reaction velocity as it relates to equilibrium.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the definitions and assumptions underlying the equations, particularly regarding dimensional consistency and the interpretation of equilibrium constants.

dRic2
Hi everybody,

Given a generic reaction ## Reagents ↔ Products ## the velocity of the reaction is ##R = R_{right} - R_{left} ##

To take in account that the velocity of the reaction will slow if approaching the equilibrium we say that
$$ R = R_{right}(1 - \frac K K_{eq}) $$
Although it seems reasonable it appears to me too much "arbitrary" so I don't get it very much. I mean, I could have elaborated an other relation to take the equilibrium into account or is it the only one?

Second question: A book of mine says that I reaction of first order such as ## A → B ## has
$$ R = kC_A(1- \frac K K_{eq} C_B) $$
but it seems wrong to me... Wouldn't it be
$$R = R_{right} - R_{left} = R_{right}(1 - \frac K K_{eq}) = kC_A(1- \frac K K_{eq} ) $$ ?
 
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Your book equation looks wrong dimensionally. Check their definition of the various k's.
Can you define the terms you use? Given those definitions, can you use the 1st order rate law to derive your expression for the velocity?
 
mjc123 said:
Your book equation looks wrong dimensionally. Check their definition of the various k's.
Can you define the terms you use? Given those definitions, can you use the 1st order rate law to derive your expression for the velocity?

Which one are you referring to? because ##R=R_{right}(1− \frac K K_{eq})## has to be true. Anyway:
##C_i## is the concentration of the species i (i.e. [mol/L]
##k## is kinetic constant (i.e ## R = k*C_i##) (it's dimension has to agree with
##C_i##
##K_{eq}## is the constant of equilibrium ##K_{eq} = exp(-\frac {ΔG_{R}} {RT})## (dimensionless)
while ##K = ∏a^{v_i}## (which is equal to ##K_{eq}## when the equilibrium is reached) (dimensionless)

Regarding the second equation, I didn't notice it. I'll ask my professor, thank you
 
Edit: Problem solved. And the second formula (corrected) is: ##R = R_{right} - R_{left} = k(C_A - \frac {C_B} {K_{eq}} )##
 

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