Chemical Kintetics - Sequential reactions

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The discussion revolves around the kinetics of sequential reactions, specifically the reaction pathway ##A \rightarrow B \rightarrow C##. Participants explore how to determine the time required for species B to reach its maximum concentration, considering the half-lives of A and B.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the need to establish the order of the reaction before forming differential rate equations.
  • Another participant asserts that the constant half-lives imply the reactions are first-order, which simplifies the setup of the differential equations.
  • Several participants provide differential equations for the concentrations of A, B, and C, indicating the relationships between their rates of change.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to proceed after deriving the equations, specifically regarding the maximum concentration of B.
  • A later reply presents a derived expression for B's concentration and conditions for its maximum, suggesting a mathematical approach to find the time at which B is maximized.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the approach to solving the problem, as participants express differing levels of understanding and methods for deriving the necessary equations. Some participants agree on the first-order nature of the reactions, while others remain uncertain about the next steps.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on assumptions about the constancy of half-lives and the order of reactions, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on specific definitions of the reaction rates.

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Chemical Kinetics - Sequential reactions

Homework Statement


For a reaction ##A \rightarrow B \rightarrow C##, ##t_{1/2}## for A and B are 4 and 2 minutes respectively. How much time would be required for the B to reach maximum concentration.


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The Attempt at a Solution


I can't form the differential rate equations until I know the order of the reaction or am I missing something?
 
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It's implied that the half-lives are constant. First-order reactions are the only ones with half-lives that remain constant as the reaction progresses (or, equivalently, have half-lives that are independent of the reactant concentration).

Once you know it's first order, it should be easy to set up the d.e.s. If you need more help you can search under my username for "sequential decay", where I helped someone else solve a sequential radioactive decay problem years ago. Same principle.
 
Curious3141 said:
It's implied that the half-lives are constant. First-order reactions are the only ones with half-lives that remain constant as the reaction progresses (or, equivalently, have half-lives that are independent of the reactant concentration).

Thanks, missed it. :)

Setting up the D.Es
-\frac{dA}{dt}=k_1A
\frac{dB}{dt}=k_1A-k_2B
\frac{dC}{dt}=k_2B

At maximum concentration of B, ##dB/dt=0##, that gives ##k_1/k_2=B/A##. I don't see how to proceed from here.
 
Pranav-Arora said:
Thanks, missed it. :)

Setting up the D.Es
-\frac{dA}{dt}=k_1A
\frac{dB}{dt}=k_1A-k_2B
\frac{dC}{dt}=k_2B

At maximum concentration of B, ##dB/dt=0##, that gives ##k_1/k_2=B/A##. I don't see how to proceed from here.

That's why this simple approach is a nonstarter. Did you take my suggestion and look up my earlier post? Search for "sequential decay" under my username.
 
A=A_0e^{-k_1t}
\frac{dB}{dt}+k_2B=k_1A_0e^{-k_1t}
\frac{d(e^{k_2t}B)}{dt}=k_1A_0e^{(k_2-k_1)t}
e^{k_2t}B=\frac{k_1A_0}{(k_2-k_1)}(e^{(k_2-k_1)t}-1)
B=\frac{k_1A_0}{(k_2-k_1)}(e^{-k_1t}-e^{-k_2t})
B is maximum when e^{(k_2-k_1)t}=\frac{k_2}{k_1}
or when
t=\frac{\ln{k_2}-\ln{k_1}}{k_2-k_1}
 
Curious3141 said:
That's why this simple approach is a nonstarter. Did you take my suggestion and look up my earlier post? Search for "sequential decay" under my username.

Thanks Curious. I found out the concentration of A as a function of time and then formed a linear differential equation to find the concentration of B. :smile:

Chestermiller said:
A=A_0e^{-k_1t}
\frac{dB}{dt}+k_2B=k_1A_0e^{-k_1t}
\frac{d(e^{k_2t}B)}{dt}=k_1A_0e^{(k_2-k_1)t}
e^{k_2t}B=\frac{k_1A_0}{(k_2-k_1)}(e^{(k_2-k_1)t}-1)
B=\frac{k_1A_0}{(k_2-k_1)}(e^{-k_1t}-e^{-k_2t})
B is maximum when e^{(k_2-k_1)t}=\frac{k_2}{k_1}
or when
t=\frac{\ln{k_2}-\ln{k_1}}{k_2-k_1}

Thank you Chet! That helped me to check my working. :)
 

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