How Can Stoichiometry Determine the Order of an Elementary Reaction?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between stoichiometry and the order of elementary chemical reactions. Participants explore whether the order of a reaction can be determined solely from its stoichiometric coefficients, particularly in the context of elementary reactions versus complex reactions.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the order of a reaction is determined experimentally and cannot be inferred solely from stoichiometry, questioning the validity of the statement regarding elementary reactions.
  • Others suggest that for elementary reactions, the stoichiometric coefficients may coincide with the reaction order, but this is seen as coincidental rather than a rule.
  • There is a discussion about molecularity and its relationship to the rate-determining step, with some participants asserting that molecularity refers to the order of the rate-determining step.
  • Some participants note that while the order of a reaction can be fractional, molecularity cannot be zero or fractional, leading to further questions about the implications for slow reactions.
  • Examples of fractional order reactions are provided, indicating that non-integer orders can occur in complex reaction mechanisms, which may involve chain reactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether stoichiometry can determine the order of elementary reactions, with multiple competing views remaining on the relationship between stoichiometry, molecularity, and reaction order.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the definitions of molecularity and order, as well as the complexities involved in determining reaction order in non-elementary reactions.

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Homework Statement


There was a statement in a question which said:
"The order of an elementary chemical reaction step can be determined by examining its stoichiometry. "
And it was given correct.

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But shouldn't it be wrong? Order of a reaction is found experimentally and nothing else can determine it. So how can we simply see the stoichiometry of a reaction and say " yeah... it has this and this order". Does here "elementary chemical reaction step" make any change to the thing that I am saying?
 
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mooncrater said:

Homework Statement


There was a statement in a question which said:
"The order of an elementary chemical reaction step can be determined by examining its stoichiometry. "
And it was given correct.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


But shouldn't it be wrong? Order of a reaction is found experimentally and nothing else can determine it. So how can we simply see the stoichiometry of a reaction and say " yeah... it has this and this order". Does here "elementary chemical reaction step" makes any change to the thing that I am saying?
Order of a rxn is determined by the slowest step of the rxn .so if a rxn is taking place in no.of steps .we need to find out which was the slowest step and then see the coefficient s but for elementary rxn .it is a single step rxn so its mere coincidence that stoichiometric coeff gives us the order of rxn
 
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rohini said:
Order of a rxn is determined by the slowest step of the rxn .so if a rxn is taking place in no.of steps .we need to find out which was the slowest step and then see the coefficient s but for elementary rxn .it is a single step rxn so its mere coincidence that stoichiometric coeff gives us the order of rxn
Always?
 
Okay then does this statement fit here?
"Molecularity refers to the order of rate determining step (the slowest one)"
 
mooncrater said:
Okay then does this statement fit here?
"Molecularity refers to the order of rate determining step (the slowest one)"
For complex rxn order is given by the slowest step and molecularity of the slowest step is same as the order of overall rxn
 
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rohini said:
For complex rxn order is given by the slowest step and molecularity of the slowest step is same as the order of overall rxn
Thanks.. I got it now..
 
rohini said:
For complex rxn order is given by the slowest step and molecularity of the slowest step is same as the order of overall rxn
But remember molecularity can never be zero or even a fraction but order of rxn can be .as in zero order rxn .rate of rxn is independent of its concentration.
In pseudo first order rxn one of the reactants is in excess so change in it would be like const
 
rohini said:
But remember molecularity can never be zero or even a fraction but order of rxn can be .as in zero order rxn .rate of rxn is independent of its concentration.
In pseudo first order rxn one of the reactants is in excess so change in it would be like const
So can we say that the slowest reaction will never have a fractional order?
 
mooncrater said:
So can we say that the slowest reaction will never have a fractional order?
fractional order reactions, the order is a non-integer, which often indicates a chemical chain reaction or other complex reaction mechanism. For example, the pyrolysis ofethanal (CH3-CHO) into methane and carbon monoxide proceeds with an order of 1.5 with respect to ethanal: r = k[CH3-CHO]3/2.[12] The decomposition of phosgene (COCl2) to carbon monoxide and chlorine has order 1 with respect to phosgene itself and order 0.5 with respect to chlorine: r = k[COCl2] [Cl2]1/2.

The order of a chain reaction can be rationalized using the steady stateapproximation for the concentration of reactive intermediates such as free radicals. For the pyrolysis of ethanal, the Rice-Herzfeldmechanism is[12]

Initiation CH3CHO → •CH3 + •CHO
Propagation •CH3 + CH3CHO → CH3CO• + CH4
CH3CO• → •CH3 + CO
Termination 2 •CH3 → C2H6
where • denotes a free radical. To simplify the theory, the reactions of the •CHO to form a second •CH3 are ignored.

In the steady state, the rates of formation and destruction of methyl radicals are equal, so that

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so that the concentration of methyl radical satisfies

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.
The reaction rate equals the rate of the propagation steps which form the main reaction products CH4 and CO:

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in agreement with the experimental order of 3/2
 
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rohini said:
fractional order reactions, the order is a non-integer, which often indicates a chemical chain reaction or other complex reaction mechanism. For example, the pyrolysis ofethanal (CH3-CHO) into methane and carbon monoxide proceeds with an order of 1.5 with respect to ethanal: r = k[CH3-CHO]3/2.[12] The decomposition of phosgene (COCl2) to carbon monoxide and chlorine has order 1 with respect to phosgene itself and order 0.5 with respect to chlorine: r = k[COCl2] [Cl2]1/2.

The order of a chain reaction can be rationalized using the steady stateapproximation for the concentration of reactive intermediates such as free radicals. For the pyrolysis of ethanal, the Rice-Herzfeldmechanism is[12]

Initiation CH3CHO → •CH3 + •CHO
Propagation •CH3 + CH3CHO → CH3CO• + CH4
CH3CO• → •CH3 + CO
Termination 2 •CH3 → C2H6
where • denotes a free radical. To simplify the theory, the reactions of the •CHO to form a second •CH3 are ignored.

In the steady state, the rates of formation and destruction of methyl radicals are equal, so that

dd539707da3b4808b2374bde20d78df4.png
,
so that the concentration of methyl radical satisfies

b97a469b4692d2f5a0a1f48e042bb6ca.png
.
The reaction rate equals the rate of the propagation steps which form the main reaction products CH4 and CO:

94e3e8d335dcc5c77330df9dd47422f6.png

in agreement with the experimental order of 3/2
In chemical kinetics, the order of reactionwith respect to a given substance (such asreactant, catalyst or product) is defined as theindex, or exponent, to which its concentrationterm in the rate equation is raised.
 

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