Chemistry-Finding concentrations of two compounds

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The discussion revolves around a chemistry homework problem involving the reaction between barium nitrate and sodium sulfate. Participants are tasked with finding the initial concentrations of the reactants based on the final concentrations of the products and excess ions after the reaction.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines the variables for the concentrations of Ba(NO3)2 and Na2SO4 and attempts to apply the law of conservation of mass to formulate an equation.
  • Another participant suggests focusing on the moles of NO3- in the final solution and its relationship to the initial moles of Ba(NO3)2.
  • A participant identifies NO3- and Na+ as spectator ions, noting that their concentrations do not change due to the reaction, but rather due to dilution when mixing solutions.
  • It is proposed that the concentration of NaNO3 being 0.0120 M implies that the concentrations of both Na+ and NO3- are also 0.0120 M, as NaNO3 dissociates into one of each ion.
  • One participant lists the final concentrations of the ions present in the solution and expresses a method to find the initial concentration of Ba(NO3)2 using the number of moles of NaNO3.
  • Another participant clarifies that part of the sulfate is in the precipitate while some remains in solution, indicating that the total initial concentration of sodium sulfate can be calculated from these values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to find the initial concentration of Ba(NO3)2, but there is uncertainty regarding the initial concentration of Na2SO4 due to the presence of excess sulfate ions and the formation of a precipitate.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about how to account for the excess sulfate ion concentration in relation to the initial concentration of sodium sulfate, indicating that assumptions about the distribution of ions may affect their calculations.

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Homework Statement


Given balanced chemical reaction:
Ba(NO3)2 (aq) + Na2SO4 (aq) → BaSO4 (s) + 2NaNO3 (aq)

Suppose 200 mL of Ba(NO3)2 and 200 mL of Na2SO4 of unknown concentrations are mixed together and forms the reaction above. Then, there are 0.0120 M of NaNO3 produced, and 0.0004 M of excess sulfate ion. Find the initial concentration of each reactant.


Homework Equations


Molarity = number of moles/volume of solvent


The Attempt at a Solution


I led x be the concentration of Ba(NO3)2
and y be the concentration of Na2SO4
Then I used the law of conservation of mass to find the total mass of reactants and products, then wrote the equation below
5.6x + 28.4y = 0
But I am now not sure what to do next, do I need to find the volume of the solution produced or to do something else?
Please give me some hints or concepts so that I can figure it out, I will be extremely appreciated...
 
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It can be solved in many ways, but the simplest approach is to look for things that have not changed. How many moles of NO3- in the final solution? How is this number related to the initial number of moles of Ba(NO3)2?
 
Borek said:
It can be solved in many ways, but the simplest approach is to look for things that have not changed. How many moles of NO3- in the final solution? How is this number related to the initial number of moles of Ba(NO3)2?

I think I may get some ideas from what you asked
I now try to write out the net ionic equation for the reaction below
Ba2+ + 2NO3- + 2Na+ + SO42- → BaSO4 + 2Na+ + 2NO3-
And I find out that NO3- and Na+ are spectator ions, that means their concentrations did not change right?
But the problem is I don't know how to find the final concentrations of each ion from the given concentration of NaNO3 which is 0.0120M, should I divide it half and half, or is there some other ways? Please advise..
 
taxidriverhk said:
And I find out that NO3- and Na+ are spectator ions, that means their concentrations did not change right?

Concentration changes, but not because of the reaction - you mix two solutions, so they are diluted.

But the problem is I don't know how to find the final concentrations of each ion from the given concentration of NaNO3 which is 0.0120M, should I divide it half and half, or is there some other ways? Please advise..

If concentration of NaNO3 is 0.0120M, concentrations of both Na+ and NO3- are also 0.0120M. This is not always the case, but here NaNO3 dissociates into 1+1 ions.
 
So the final concentration of each ion is below
Ba2+ = 0 M
SO42- = 0.0004 M
Na+ = 0.0120 M
NO3- = 0.0120 M
is it right?
If they are right, then I will be able to find the initial concentration of Ba(NO3)2 by first finding the number of moles of NaNO3, and use the chemical equation to convert it to the number of moles of Ba(NO3)2, and finally divide it by 0.2 L to find out the initial concentration, did I think it right?
But how about the initial concentration of another compound? I got confused by the excess 0.0004M sulfate acid
Please advise, thank you.
 
You are right about initial concentration of Ba(NO3)2.

Part of the sulfate is in the precipitate (this part you can easily calculate from known initial concentration of barium), part of the sulfate is still in the solution. Sum of these was present in the initial solution of sodium sulfate.
 

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