Chimpanzee and Human Evolution: Uncovering the Mystery of Our Common Ancestor

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The discussion revolves around the evolutionary relationship between chimpanzees and humans, specifically focusing on the common ancestor of both species. Participants explore questions regarding the scarcity of chimpanzee fossils, the nature of speciation between the two species, and the characteristics of their common ancestor.

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  • Some participants question why there are few chimpanzee fossils found and whether the common ancestor was a chimpanzee or a different species entirely.
  • One participant suggests that the speciation between chimpanzees and humans may not have been clean, indicating a complex evolutionary history.
  • There is mention of fossils like Ardipithecus and Sahelanthropus, with debate surrounding their classification as either human or chimpanzee fossils.
  • Another participant expresses the belief that the common ancestor was more similar to chimpanzees than to humans, suggesting that chimpanzees may represent a living version of that ancestor.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of inferring characteristics beyond bone morphology, highlighting potential differences in nervous and immune systems that may not be fully understood.

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Participants express a range of views regarding the nature of the common ancestor and the evolutionary relationship between chimpanzees and humans. There is no consensus on the specifics of these relationships or the implications of fossil evidence.

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The discussion acknowledges the challenges in fossil preservation and the complexities involved in determining evolutionary relationships, which may depend on various geological and biological factors.

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10) Why have there been no (or very few) chimpanzee

fossils found? Was the common ancestor of humand and chimps a

chimpanzee or a different species completely? How similar is a

chimp/human to that ancient ancestor?


Thank you all so much! These 10 questions have been bothering me for

some time and their are few answers online...
 
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Determining chimp from human may be more complicated than we thought; they might not have had a clean speciation:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16710306

Finding any specific species at a specific point from the past, common ancestor or not, has a low probability (there's lots of dirt and preservation of fossils relies on certain geological conditions at time of death). There's a couple fossils that are close to the common ancestor, like Ardipithecus (for which it is a matter of debate whether it is a human or chimpanzee fossil) or Sahelanthropus.

Also, don't forget our other cousins in the genus Pan, bonobos. They can technically still mate with chimps, but it's only been observed in captivity.
 
Pythagorean said:
Determining chimp from human may be more complicated than we thought; they might not have had a clean speciation:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16710306

Finding any specific species at a specific point from the past, common ancestor or not, has a low probability (there's lots of dirt and preservation of fossils relies on certain geological conditions at time of death). There's a couple fossils that are close to the common ancestor, like Ardipithecus (for which it is a matter of debate whether it is a human or chimpanzee fossil) or Sahelanthropus.

Also, don't forget our other cousins in the genus Pan, bonobos. They can technically still mate with chimps, but it's only been observed in captivity.
Thank you
 
I am under the impression that scientists believe that the common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees was much more similar to a chimpanzee than a human. According to this credence, chimpanzees are basically a living and unchanged version of our common ancestor. Is this the popular belief?
 
I don't know to what extent we can judge and infer beyond bone morphology. There may be significant nervous system or immune system differences. It would depend on how complete the molecular story is.
 

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