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infomax said:
I've been to China. Ningbo and Shanghai. The US is more developed.
China vs. America: Which Country is More Developed?
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The discussion revolves around the comparative development of China and America, exploring various dimensions such as economic growth, human rights, environmental issues, and technological advancements. Participants express differing views on what constitutes "development" and how each country measures up in various aspects.
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Main Points Raised
- Some participants question the definition of "developed," suggesting it typically refers to economic development.
- Others argue that while the USA is generally considered developed, China is still classified as developing due to issues like poverty and industrialization.
- Concerns are raised about China's environmental challenges, including pollution and food safety, which some believe could undermine its competitive advantage.
- Some participants note that China's rapid development mirrors that of the USA but emphasize that it still has significant gaps to close.
- There are claims that America's development is more transparent compared to China's, which is perceived as less open due to government restrictions.
- Participants express differing views on the trajectory of both countries, with some suggesting that America is on a "descending" path while China is "rising." Others challenge this notion based on various economic indicators.
- Discussions include the historical context of America's resilience and innovation, contrasting it with China's current developmental strategies.
- Some participants highlight the importance of free markets and free thinking in America's development, while others caution about the potential consequences of China's current practices.
- There is a debate over the origins of the internet, with some asserting American claims while others question them, indicating a lack of consensus on historical contributions.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants do not reach a consensus on which country is more developed, with multiple competing views remaining on the definitions and implications of development. The discussion reflects a range of opinions on the trajectories of both nations.
Contextual Notes
Participants express uncertainty regarding the long-term implications of current economic cycles and the definitions of development, indicating that the discussion is influenced by varying perspectives on economic indicators and historical context.
I've been to China. Ningbo and Shanghai. The US is more developed.
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JasonRox said:
If you make more money you can afford to waste more. Also, you have more stuff, so it's more difficult to waste the same absolute quantity
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Office_Shredder said:
So, more money gives you the right to waste more. Hmmm...
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No, it certainly does not give you the right, and that's not what's written in the quote you reply to.JasonRox said:So, more money gives you the right to waste more. Hmmm...
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JasonRox said:So, more money gives you the right to waste more. Hmmm...
Yes.
- If there is someone managing the waste
- We have resources for managing the waste
- People are charged for what they wasteIf I buy something I have the right not to consume it.
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JasonRox said:
Actually we were comparing development......
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Communist countries operate on a perverted form of the Utilitarian principle where the individual exists to service the state. Their governments don't care about the welfare of their citizens, much less the environment. That's the reason the former USSR is an environmental disaster and China is almost certainly no different.JasonRox said:
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The Chinese government likes to brag about their accomplishments, and the rate with which they are building power plants is something they consider an accomplishment. Their environmental nightmare, on the other hand, is something to suppress.JasonRox said:
...I know I said it before, but you are aware that China is communist, right?
Yeah, it really does. Do you remember the controversy over air pollution during the olympics? That's what they do!
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Communist is that system where people are force to be machines lacking life, entertainment ,mostly boring and opposing reanimation in individual life