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The discussion revolves around the classification of countries as "developed" or "developing," particularly comparing the United States and China. Participants highlight that the U.S. is generally considered developed due to its economic stability, while China is often labeled as developing due to ongoing issues like poverty, pollution, and industrialization challenges. Concerns are raised about China's environmental practices, with comparisons made to the U.S. historical pollution issues. The conversation touches on the rapid economic growth of China and the potential consequences of its environmental neglect, suggesting that it may face significant challenges in the future similar to those experienced by developed nations. The dialogue also explores the cultural differences in wastefulness between Chinese and North American citizens, with some arguing that the waste produced in China is driven by demand from Western countries. Overall, the thread reflects a complex view of development, economic growth, and environmental responsibility, emphasizing the need for transparency and accountability in both nations.

Which is more developed country?

  • China

    Votes: 1 3.6%
  • America

    Votes: 24 85.7%
  • confused

    Votes: 3 10.7%

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    28
  • #51
CRGreathouse said:
As your sample is small and not blind or random, it means nothing to me. If it was (somewhat) larger, blind, and random it would be a good measure of how Canadians of Chinese ancestry act wrt waste. But even then I don't know how much it would tell me about China vs. Canada or Chinese vs. Canadians. You're not controlling for income or the differences between expats and the rest of the population.



I'm sure you'd find that waste is higher per person in the US and higher per GDP in the PRC.

Per GDP... I'm concerned about per person here. Cost of living in the US is very high.

We can't justify the amount of waste going on in Canada or the US.
 
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  • #52
JasonRox said:
Per GDP... I'm concerned about per person here. Cost of living in the US is very high.

We can't justify the amount of waste going on in Canada or the US.

We cannot justify the amount of wastage going on in Canada or the US because cost of living in US is very high? I don't think that's what you meant but yet I am interested to know what's wrong.

I only read this post and skipped over few others where you only stating your concern about the wastage.
@OP:
You can go to many statistics websites to see where China, US, others are:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Economics/GDP-Growth.aspx?Symbol=CNY
http://www.nationmaster.com/index.php

The question being asked was stupid so I provided stupid answer :) - China!
You stated somewhere in the beginning that you lack economics knowledge for the reason you asked this question. So, I would ask you to get some knowledge of economics before you use its terms for discussions among your friends.
 
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  • #53
rootX said:
The question being asked was stupid so I provided stupid answer :) - China!
You stated somewhere in the beginning that you lack economics knowledge for the reason you asked this question. So, I would ask you to get some knowledge of economics before you use its terms for discussions among your friends.

why does it really bothers you, cannot I quench my thirst ? It is my right
 
  • #54
infomax said:
why does it really bothers you, cannot I quench my thirst ? It is my right

That is similar to crackpot. You will find some extremely ignorant/stupid economics news during both booms/recessions. Spreading/accepting wrong information is bad. (Even more dangerous than physics because ignorant people will accept the information for granted)

Do whatever you want as far you have the right information.
 
  • #55
rootX said:
We cannot justify the amount of wastage going on in Canada or the US because cost of living in US is very high? I don't think that's what you meant but yet I am interested to know what's wrong.

I only read this post and skipped over few others where you only stating your concern about the wastage.



@OP:
You can go to many statistics websites to see where China, US, others are:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Economics/GDP-Growth.aspx?Symbol=CNY
http://www.nationmaster.com/index.php

The question being asked was stupid so I provided stupid answer :) - China!
You stated somewhere in the beginning that you lack economics knowledge for the reason you asked this question. So, I would ask you to get some knowledge of economics before you use its terms for discussions among your friends.

Lots of waste can not be justified period. That's what I meant. High cost of living or not. GDP ratios. Who cares. Should be on a per person basis.

The waste we produce here is ridiculous and everyone here is trying to find some reason to justify it and point at people from other countries who produce less waste per person. Seriously, get real.

There is no reason why a person here should be able to waste more than a Chinese or European or anyone. None at all. It's one planet.
 
  • #56
JasonRox said:
Per GDP... I'm concerned about per person here. Cost of living in the US is very high.

We can't justify the amount of waste going on in Canada or the US.

I don't understand your first paragraph.

I think waste per GDP is a reasonable measurement to consider. As you pointed out, much of the waste produced in China is due to goods destined for export: this credits them with that production. As I see it, there are only two sensible measures here: waste produced per GDP (how efficiently does the country make stuff?) and consumption waste per person (counting waste for imports but not waste for exports; how much waste is caused by each person?). The US fares well, even very well on the first, but poorly on the second.
 
  • #57
Personally, I'm much more concerned about resource depletion than waste.
 
  • #58
JasonRox said:
Eventually I'm sure China will pass a clean air act just like England and LA did. What leads us to believe they won't?...
Because despite their development pace it is still a totalitarian dictatorship?
 
  • #59
mheslep said:
Because despite their development pace it is still a totalitarian dictatorship?

We are not discussing how they choose to run THEIR country. We are talking about waste.

Totalitarian dictatorship or not says nothing about whether or not they would enforce clean air.
 
  • #60
JasonRox said:
We are not discussing how they choose to run THEIR country. We are talking about waste.

Totalitarian dictatorship or not says nothing about whether or not they would enforce clean air.
That's fallacious JR. There is no "THEIR" country in an totalitarian state.
There is no carrying a 'clean air now' placard in the streets, there's only prison.
 
  • #61
infomax said:
I am sorry to state ,please I beg sorry if it hurts
The reality is also that America's development is open at the media level
And the china most work inside without showing outside much to the world

I've been to China. Ningbo and Shanghai. The US is more developed.
 
  • #62
JasonRox said:
Lots of waste can not be justified period. That's what I meant. High cost of living or not. GDP ratios. Who cares. Should be on a per person basis.

The waste we produce here is ridiculous and everyone here is trying to find some reason to justify it and point at people from other countries who produce less waste per person. Seriously, get real.

There is no reason why a person here should be able to waste more than a Chinese or European or anyone. None at all. It's one planet.

If you make more money you can afford to waste more. Also, you have more stuff, so it's more difficult to waste the same absolute quantity
 
  • #63
Office_Shredder said:
If you make more money you can afford to waste more. Also, you have more stuff, so it's more difficult to waste the same absolute quantity

So, more money gives you the right to waste more. Hmmm... :rolleyes:
 
  • #64
JasonRox said:
So, more money gives you the right to waste more. Hmmm... :rolleyes:
No, it certainly does not give you the right, and that's not what's written in the quote you reply to.
 
  • #65
JasonRox said:
So, more money gives you the right to waste more. Hmmm... :rolleyes:

Yes.

- If there is someone managing the waste
- We have resources for managing the waste
- People are charged for what they wasteIf I buy something I have the right not to consume it.
 
  • #66
JasonRox said:
We are not discussing how they choose to run THEIR country. We are talking about waste.

Totalitarian dictatorship or not says nothing about whether or not they would enforce clean air.

Actually we were comparing development......:wink:
 
  • #67
JasonRox said:
And that implies they won't? Explain please.
Communist countries operate on a perverted form of the Utilitarian principle where the individual exists to service the state. Their governments don't care about the welfare of their citizens, much less the environment. That's the reason the former USSR is an environmental disaster and China is almost certainly no different.
 
  • #68
JasonRox said:
You guys just said it's hard to get data from China... why are you choosing to believe this fact? It's from the UK not China.
The Chinese government likes to brag about their accomplishments, and the rate with which they are building power plants is something they consider an accomplishment. Their environmental nightmare, on the other hand, is something to suppress.

...I know I said it before, but you are aware that China is communist, right?
Totalitarian dictatorship or not says nothing about whether or not they would enforce clean air.
Yeah, it really does. Do you remember the controversy over air pollution during the olympics? That's what they do!
 
  • #69
Communist is that system where people are force to be machines lacking life, entertainment ,mostly boring and opposing reanimation in individual life
 
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