Circular Motion and angle alpha

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The problem involves a plumb bob deflected from the vertical by an angle alpha due to the gravitational influence of a nearby mountain. The original poster seeks to derive a formula for alpha based on the mass of the mountain, the distance to its center, and the mass and radius of the Earth. Additionally, they are tasked with estimating the mass of Mount Everest and the angle alpha when the bob is positioned 5 km from the mountain's center.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to establish a relationship between the forces acting on the bob and the angle alpha using gravitational equations and trigonometry. Some participants confirm the relationship derived by the original poster, while others question the clarity of the requirements for part B of the problem, expressing uncertainty about the necessary values and assumptions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's approach and attempting to clarify the expectations for estimating the mass of Mount Everest. There is an acknowledgment of the need for rough estimates and assumptions, particularly regarding the mountain's shape and density.

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Homework Statement


A plumb bob is deflected from the vertical by an angle alpha due to a massive mountain nearby. (A) Find an approximate formula for alpha in terms of the mass of the mountain the distance to its center and the radius and mass of the earth
(B) Make a rough estimate of the mass of mt everest assuming it has the shape say of an equilateral pyramid or cone 4k m above its base and then (c) estimate the angle alpha of the pendulum bob if it is 5 km from the center of mt everest

Homework Equations



F= G*m1*m2/r^2

G = 6.67*10^-11

shoot idk throw some vector equations in there too

The Attempt at a Solution



well...i said
Mm = mass of mountain
m = mass of bob
Dm = Distance to mountain from bob
Fm = force exerted by mountain on bob
Me = Mass of earth
Re = radius of earth

Fm = G*Mm*m/(Dm)^2
g = G*Me/(Re)^2

i made a right triangle with vector mg, vector Fm and hypotnuse of the deflected bob string

using trig i got alpha = 90 - theta where tan(theta) = mg/Fm

I know this can't be anywhere near to right...and i don't want to attempt other parts before i get this...PLEASE HELP!
 
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That's right, if you really mean alpha=90-theta where tan(theta)=mg/Fm. Then tan(alpha)=Fm/mg.
 
Ok now can anyone help me figure out B...that is if i got A correct. I really honestly have no idea what they want me to do for B. Idk if I am supposed to look up values for this or what (i can find a rough volume of it i suppose but its not like i know the base or anything) I am certain there is NO more info on the question

PLZ HELP!
 
It says 'rough estimate'. This means 'order of magnitude'. You could say the base is a square 4km on a side, you could say it's a circle 3.5km in radius, it doesn't matter. They will only pay attention to the exponent in the angle (which will be REALLY small). You'll also need to know the density but you don't know the density either. Guess. Probably about the same density as any rock you can think of. Or the density of the earth, or even the density of water. You'll still be in the same ballpark.
 
well that problem was officially boring. Thank you very much Dick!
 

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