Chirality/Helicity difference?

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The discussion centers around the differences between chirality and helicity, particularly in the context of high-energy physics. Participants explore the definitions, implications, and applications of these concepts, as well as a hypothetical scenario involving a clock to illustrate their points.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that helicity is the projection of total angular momentum in the direction of momentum, while chirality is more complex and relates to the mathematical description of Dirac fermions.
  • One participant notes that for massless Dirac fermions, helicity and chirality eigenstates coincide, but this is not the case for massive particles.
  • Another participant suggests that the clock's rotation can be interpreted as helicity, but the definition of helicity becomes problematic if the clock is at rest, leading to a consideration of chirality instead.
  • Some argue that chirality is related to whether a system is identical to its mirror image, while helicity depends on the relative motion between the observer and the object.
  • A participant introduces the idea that chirality is Lorentz-invariant, whereas helicity is not, particularly emphasizing the distinction for massive versus massless particles.
  • There is a humorous anecdote about communicating with an alien regarding left and right, using neutrinos as a reference for chirality.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between chirality and helicity, particularly in the context of the clock example. There is no consensus on how to definitively categorize the clock's rotation, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in defining helicity when the object is at rest and discuss the implications of Lorentz invariance for chirality and helicity in different contexts.

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I think these two words is most often used in high-energy physics.
However, what are the differences between Chirality and Helicity

The clock always turns "clockwisely", if you look in front of the clock. Is that chirality or helicity?
 
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Helicity is the projection of the total angular momentum of the particle to the direction of its momentum. Chirality is not so easy to understand. I have only a mathematical explanation for Dirac fermions, consisting of a lefthanded and a righthanded component. Chirality eigen spinors are eigenvectors of ##\gamma_5=\mathrm{i} \gamma^0 \gamma^1 \gamma^2 \gamma^3##, and the projectors to left- and right-handed components are
$$P_{R/L}=\frac{1 \pm \gamma_5}{2}.$$
For massless Dirac fermions helicity and chirality eigenstates coincide, but not for massive ones.
 
vanhees71 said:
Helicity is the projection of the total angular momentum of the particle to the direction of its momentum. Chirality is not so easy to understand. I have only a mathematical explanation for Dirac fermions, consisting of a lefthanded and a righthanded component. Chirality eigen spinors are eigenvectors of ##\gamma_5=\mathrm{i} \gamma^0 \gamma^1 \gamma^2 \gamma^3##, and the projectors to left- and right-handed components are
$$P_{R/L}=\frac{1 \pm \gamma_5}{2}.$$
For massless Dirac fermions helicity and chirality eigenstates coincide, but not for massive ones.
The clock always turns "clockwisely", if you look in front of the clock. Is that chirality or helicity?
 
qnach said:
The clock always turns "clockwisely", if you look in front of the clock. Is that chirality or helicity?
It's helicity, but the value depends on the relative momentum between you and the clock (i.e., whether you're approaching, or receding from, the clock).

Chirality has to do with whether a system is the same as its mirror image.
 
Hm, it's a bit difficult. On the one hand, I'd also say, it's helicity since the hands of the clock are rotating, but on the other hand, helicity is the projection of the angular momentum to the momentum of the particle, but if the particle (or here the clock) is at rest, I can't define helicity to begin with. So here it's chirality in a sense, because we define a direction out of the plane where the hands of the clock rotate and use our right hand to check whether it runs in positive (counter-clockwise) or negative (clockwise) direction.

In other words we need to compare the orientation of the hands' rotation with some (arbitrarily) fixed orientation, for which we practically use our right hand.

There is this funny tale about how to communicate with an alien, what's left and right, for which we have to use something generally available to define orientation. The best thing we have are neutrinos of the Standard Model, which always come as left-handed spinors (because they couple only via left-handed chiral interactions of quantum flavor dynamics). We also communicate that we always shake right hands to greet each other (supposed the aliens are similarly built as humans and thus have hands to shake). When the proud physicists meets the alien, it offers its left hand, because it's made of antimatter and thus calles the always right-handed antineutrinos "neutrinos" ;-)).
 
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vanhees71 said:
On the one hand, I'd also say, it's helicity since the hands of the clock are rotating, but on the other hand, helicity is the projection of the angular momentum to the momentum of the particle, but if the particle (or here the clock) is at rest, I can't define helicity to begin with. So here it's chirality in a sense, because we define a direction out of the plane where the hands of the clock rotate and use our right hand to check whether it runs in positive (counter-clockwise) or negative (clockwise) direction.
But chirality is Lorentz-invariant, whereas helicity is not.
 
Helicity is Lorentz invariant for massless particles. That's while it's the natural choice for the polarization observables of massless particles/photons, while for massive particles spin is defined in its rest frame, which is a preferred frame for this case.

For the clock, it's clear that you can always choose the restframe of the clock to define the orientation.
 
If the alien offers his left hand, DON'T TOUCH IT!
 

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