Choosing a Specialty in Physics: Is Age a Barrier?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges and considerations of pursuing a PhD in physics later in life, particularly focusing on age as a potential barrier to specialization and employment opportunities in the field. Participants share personal experiences, concerns about job prospects, and reflections on the value of education and passion for physics.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Meta-discussion

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses enjoyment in their physics studies and a desire to pursue a PhD, while questioning the practicality of finding a job in physics at an older age.
  • Another participant highlights the bleak job outlook and age discrimination as significant concerns for older students pursuing advanced degrees.
  • Some participants suggest that if financial stability allows, pursuing a PhD could be worthwhile regardless of job prospects.
  • There is mention of various specialties within physics, such as computer simulation, acoustics, and teaching, with differing opinions on job availability in these areas.
  • Concerns about age discrimination in graduate school admissions are raised, with some participants sharing personal anecdotes about their experiences.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of the learning journey itself, rather than solely focusing on the end goal of employment.
  • One participant reflects on the impact of societal assumptions regarding age and gender in academic settings.
  • Expressions of inspiration and encouragement are shared, with participants urging each other to focus on the joy of learning rather than fear of future job prospects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the impact of age on pursuing a PhD in physics. While some encourage the pursuit of education for its own sake, others highlight valid concerns about job prospects and age discrimination. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the feasibility and desirability of pursuing a PhD later in life.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations related to job market conditions, personal financial situations, and societal biases that may affect older students in academia. These factors contribute to the uncertainty surrounding the decision to pursue advanced degrees.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to older students considering advanced degrees in physics, educators, and individuals exploring the intersection of age and career development in STEM fields.

  • #31
Thank you to all for your greatly appreciated input.

I have a story to tell you about "age discrimination." At the company where I worked they were looking for a new Firmware Manager. We had a great firmware guy who was a good friend of mine. He was in his early 30's at that time and he had been with the company for about 5 years. He was brilliant, hard-working, and knew absolutely everything about our project. However, the VP stated that my friend was too "old school." He wanted to hire a new grad because a recent grad would have all the latest information, tools, techniques, and ideas.

Long story short, he hired the new grad who lasted about 6 months before he got transferred to production (if you have ever worked in industry, you know what that means *_*). My friend and co-worker eventually got the job he deserved, improved and grew the department and is now a VP at the same company.

It is not just "older" people who get stuck in age discrimination issues...it happens all along your path. However, skill, intellect, and dedication will always win out in the end.
 
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  • #32
plife said:
However, the VP stated that my friend was too "old school." He wanted to hire a new grad because a recent grad would have all the latest information, tools, techniques, and ideas.
For the viewers at home, who may not have worked in industry (and many who are still in high school) let's be clear that this is code for "We want to hire someone cheaper".

plife said:
Long story short, he hired the new grad who lasted about 6 months before he got transferred to production (if you have ever worked in industry, you know what that means *_*). My friend and co-worker eventually got the job he deserved, improved and grew the department and is now a VP at the same company.

I worked for a company who transferred most of its hardware development to India in 2004. About 75% of it is back now, for similar reasons.

plife said:
It is not just "older" people who get stuck in age discrimination issues...it happens all along your path. However, skill, intellect, and dedication will always win out in the end.
I agree mostly, but disagree with the "always" part. People can take responsibility for their own careers but that struggle is constant.

I salute you in your mission! When I was in grad school in a UC 10-15 years ago I had several fellow grad students in their 40s and one who I believe was in his 50s. So it is most certainly NOT impossible.

And don't listen to what dipole said. If you were a test engineer in the Valley (particularly in a startup!), you can surely handle graduate school.
 
  • #33
Thank you, Carlgrace. Dipole's post did get me thinking though. I am pretty sure I can get into grad school if I am determined enough. His statement about a young person being more "entitled" to an advanced degree gave me pause, because I think it made me feel somewhat guilty - but only until I put it into perspective. I know lots of young people who think they are entitled, and so don't put the effort and resources into achieving what they think they are entitled to. I also know lots of young people who work very hard, and excellent individuals and students, and are much brighter and more ambitious than I am. So, the competition is the issue, not whether or not one is "entitled." If I am better than my competition, so be it - if I lose out to them, kudos to them for their success. Either way, I have decided (with the help and encouragement of all of you kind folks) that this is a worthwhile journey and I am not wasting my time.

Thanks again.
 

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