Choosing constants to make integral convergent

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which the integral of the function γβγx/(β + x)γ+1 from 0 to ∞ converges, focusing on the parameters β and γ, both of which are greater than 0. Participants explore the behavior of the integrand as x approaches infinity and the implications for convergence based on the value of γ.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that for large x, the integrand behaves like x and questions for which values of γ the integral is defined.
  • Another participant asserts that γ must be greater than 1 for the integral to converge, referencing the divergence of the integral of 1/x as x approaches infinity.
  • A participant queries whether integrals of the form 1/x2 are acceptable, indicating a need for clarification on convergence criteria.
  • It is noted that integrals of the form ∫x-(1+ε) converge for any ε > 0, while others like ∫1/(x ln(x)) diverge, highlighting specific cases of convergence and divergence.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the insights and inquires about the behavior of non-negative powers in integrals, specifically asking if there are special cases for integration to infinity.
  • A suggestion is made to change variables to u = β + x to facilitate integration, with the implication that this could clarify the conditions for convergence based on the parameters involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions for convergence, particularly regarding the value of γ. There is no consensus on the treatment of non-negative powers or the implications of changing variables for integration.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the independence of parameters from x are made, and the discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps related to convergence criteria.

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Readers interested in mathematical analysis, particularly in the context of integrals and convergence criteria, may find this discussion relevant.

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I want to integrate γβγx/(β + x)γ+1 from 0 to ∞ (given β and γ are both > 0)

So for large x the integrand is approximately proportional to x

So for which values of γ is the integral defined? Surely for any γ > 0 the integrand tends to zero as x tends to infinity?

Thanks
 
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You need γ > 1 to integrate to ∞. The integral of 1/x is divergent for x -> ∞.
 
But 1/x2 etc. is ok?
 
sr3056 said:
But 1/x2 etc. is ok?
Yes, in fact ∫x-(1+ε) converges for any ε > 0. Even ∫1/(x ln1+ε(x)) converges, but not ∫1/(x ln(x)) , nor ∫1/(x ln(x)ln(ln(x))) etc.
 
Thanks that's really helpful. Is it because the ones that don't exist aren't going to zero fast enough?

And what about non-negative powers - are there any special cases where these can be integrated to infinity that I should be aware of?

e.g. ∫x2
 
Hey sr3056.

For this problem I'm assuming that you are integrating with respect to x and that the other parameters are independent from x.

It might help if you make a change of variable u = β + x, change your limits and then integrate with respect to this.

The reason is that you will get (u-β)/u^[y+1] which can be analytically integrated under which you can get a lower and upper limit and decide exactly what your parameter must be for it to converge.
 

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