Choosing the Correct Momentum Equation: Newtonian vs Relativistic

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The discussion centers on the comparison between Newtonian and relativistic equations for calculating momentum, exploring their applicability based on the speed of the objects involved. Participants examine the conditions under which each equation is appropriate and the differences in results they yield.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the existence of two equations for momentum: the classical equation p = mv and the relativistic equation p = mv / √(1 - v²/c²).
  • Another participant suggests that the choice of equation depends on the speed of the particles, recommending the relativistic equation for high speeds and the Newtonian approximation for low speeds.
  • A participant emphasizes that the Newtonian equation is an approximation of the relativistic result, accurate for velocities much smaller than the speed of light.
  • One participant advises on improving the readability of the relativistic equation by using proper notation, suggesting the use of LaTeX formatting.
  • A later reply proposes a practical exercise of calculating momentum for various objects at different speeds to illustrate the relevance of Newtonian physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the conditions under which each equation is applicable, but there are differing views on the necessity and relevance of the Newtonian equation in teaching and practical applications.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the speed ranges for which each equation is valid are not explicitly stated, and there may be limitations in how the equations are applied to specific scenarios.

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I have come to notice that there are two equations for calculating momentum and I am under the impression that both equations provide different answers.

There is the Newtonian, classical equation of p = mv, where p, is momentum, m is mass, and v is velocity.

Yet also there is the relativistic equation for calculating momentum of p= mv / √ 1 - v squared / c squared, where c is the speed of light.

Therefore, what equation would you recommend to use, and which equation is more accurate?

Thank you for your help and happy holidays!
 
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It depends. If you are working with particles traveling at relativistic speeds, then you would need to use the relativistic equation. For particles traveling at velocities much smaller than the speed of light, then you can use the Newtonian approximation. If you want, you can compare the results of two equations for slow moving particles and see for yourself that the results are pretty much exactly the same.
 
The Newtonian p = mv is an approximation of the relativistic result and is accurate for velocities much smaller than the speed of light. If you are not dealing with objects traveling at relativistic velocities, you will do just fine applying the Newtonian version.

Einstein's Cat said:
p= mv / √ 1 - v squared / c squared
Just as a heads-up, writing "squared" in an equation tends to severely limit the readability. If you are not yet familiar with writing equations in LaTeX, I suggest you simply use ^ when referring to an exponent. You could also do with a few parentheses. This expression would be much more readable if you wrote it as "p = mv/√(1- v^2/c^2)".
 
@Einstein's Cat It would be a good exercise to try calculating the momentum both ways for a few different objects:
- a thrown stone: v=30 meters/sec
- a cannonball: v=300 meters/sec
- a spaceship in orbit: v=9000 meters/sec
- mass-extinction meteorite: v=30000 meters/second

Do this and you'll understand why we still use and teach Newtonian physics. :smile:
 

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