Christian medical plans exempted from health law

  1. Evo

    Staff: Mentor

    I guess their way to wriggle out of the law is by claiming that they are a "health cost sharing" plan instead of calling themselves "insurance".

    The downside? They don't have to pay if you need medical help.

    Interesting read.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110226...DeW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA2NocmlzdGlhbm1lZA--
     
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  2. jcsd
  3. Does this mean if my current medical insurance policy just stops using the word "insurance", it won't be outlawed? And I won't have to pay the tax penalty after all?

    Yippee!!!!
     
  4. :rofl:

    I guess Christians really are different. "J-Date"... "Christian Mingle". Heh... this is such a bad idea... the IRS is going to hound them forever.
     
  5. Evo

    Staff: Mentor

    Apparently. Since they allow it for Christians, they have to allow any group to do this, they are not regulated either.
     
  6. Well... I guess it's time to get baptized... errrr... are these the baptizing types? :wink:
     
  7. Is there a max to how much coverage or what not?
     
  8. God Only Really Knows. [​IMG]
     
  9. Seriously, the law exempts any "recognized" religious group that opposes it. How is this any different from the Amish, etc. being exempted?

    As far as this group offering a (non-Obamacare approved) health plan with no promise to pay, they can't legally offer a promise to pay in exchange for a premium, since that would be insurance. Duh!

    My beef with it that those of us that don't want to join such a group are penalized. Doubly so, since in addition to the penalty, basic medical insurance will be illegal.
     
  10. I'd say, that which is not a nail, the Amish, and anyone else using religion in this fashion. If you want to live in your own little world, move to your own little world in a country that gives a rat's behind.
     
  11. What in the world does that mean? What is "not a nail"? :confused:

    If you're referring to the "if you don't like it, just leave" mentality, I would suggest it applies more appropriately in the U.S. to those who "don't like" liberty, instead of those who do.

    It especially applies to those who refuse to peacefully co-exist with others, not those of us who demand nothing more.
     
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  12. why do you think the amish, mennonites, et al. came here in the first place?
     
  13. They came here to escape oppression, because the U.S. was the last bastion of freedom. They came here to live in peace.

    The U.S. is historically the place to go to, not run from, to avoid having to live according to government decree.

    That's what bothers me about people trying to use force against others to get their way. They are the ones using force to prevent peaceful co-existence. They are the ones destroying the last bastion of freedom, in order to make the U.S. more like the countries they wish they lived, but won't trouble themselves to go to.

    They are the ones who should be leaving if they oppose peaceful co-existence.
     
  14. Times change.

    edit: Oh yes, and a country has been born, had a civil war, and evolved... to be more specific. I wouldn't take kindly to Puritans either... as their children apparently did not.
     
  15. I would say that this abuse of law is more than peaceful co-existance. I'd also look past the pastries, and look at rates of abuse and other lovely aspects of Amish life for example.

    I'd add... what makes a plan Christian to begin with?
     
  16. And you'd be factually wrong. Unless you can explain how being exempted from this law not only constitutes an "abuse of law", but is not peaceful.

    Even claiming that a direct violation of this law is not peaceful would be objectively false.

    Claiming something is "more than peaceful co-existence" doesn't make it true, or change reality.
     
  17. We need to get into how "white collar" crime effects people at a distance, in very tangible ways? These are people living in a fantasy, and we're helping to maintain that bubble. It may not be firing a gun, but when you subvert the law in this country, it's an assault.

    I'll ask again, what makes a Christian Medical plan Christian? I'd add, again, that the Amish have a rich history of being left alone, and the result are disproportionate rates of abuse and more.
     
  18. You can get into all that all you want, but it doesn't make peaceful acts not peaceful. It certainly doesn't make declining to participate in Obamacare a non-peaceful act.

    And nothing in this thread has anything to do with any crime, "white collar" or not. Do you now want to refer to legal acts as crimes? "Subverting the law"?

    And using the word "assault" to refer to the act of literally doing nothing is just silly.

    Sounds like this attempt to justify government oppression is not only logically flawed, full of red herrings, absurd assertions, and misused words, but getting very desperate. :yuck:
     
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  19. So you're saying that I sound like you in the left-wing threads? :smile:

    I get it Al, we see the world very differently, but you're ignoring substance and a question I've asked twice in favor of posturing. For a third time:

    What makes a Christian Medical plan Christian?

    How do you justify insular communities, or theocracies like Utah under the US constitution that you seem to love so dearly? I can think of little that is LESS American.

    edit: Here is a tangible example of what you get when you create such communities, and pretend that you're doing them a favor: http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/January-February-2005/feature_labi_janfeb05.msp
    You think we're doing ourselves any favors by creating religious and cultural rifts down to health insurance?... why?! Because you don't like the bill, and you support any "win" against it you see?
     
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  20. Evo

    Staff: Mentor

    Enough, let's get back to the topic, how are certain groups allowed to circumvent the law? Could any group of people claim they will share medical expenses, with no promise to pay, and be exempt? If their bills don't get paid, do the rest of us pay for them when they use the public health plan?
     
  21. russ_watters

    Staff: Mentor

    Unlikely. An exemption is an exemption. I have coworkers who are exempt from Social Security on religious grounds. Their biggest fear isn't the IRS, but the police and social services. I can only assume they are also exempt from the company health plan and Obamacare (they don't believe in insurance of any kind or medical care of any kind).
    It should be obvious: it is by and for christians only (and likely only specific groups of christians).
     
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