Circular motion (approximation of centripetal acc.)

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of centripetal acceleration in circular motion, specifically examining the approximation of average acceleration over a segment of the circular path. Participants explore the relationship between time intervals, velocity vectors, and the nature of acceleration in circular motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario involving a body moving in a circle and calculates the time taken to traverse a quarter of the circumference, leading to a discussion about the magnitude of the acceleration vector.
  • Another participant clarifies that the calculated acceleration is an average acceleration over the time interval, emphasizing that the actual instantaneous acceleration changes direction significantly during that time.
  • It is noted that for smaller time intervals, the acceleration vector changes direction less, allowing for a better approximation of centripetal acceleration.
  • A participant questions how the concepts discussed relate to the formulas for centripetal acceleration, such as (ω^2)*r or (v^2)/r.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the nature of average versus instantaneous acceleration in circular motion, but there is no consensus on the implications of these concepts for the formulas of centripetal acceleration.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the dependence of the approximation on the time interval chosen and the vector nature of velocity, which may introduce nuances in understanding centripetal acceleration.

V0ODO0CH1LD
Messages
278
Reaction score
0
Say I have a body moving in a circle of radius r with a constant velocity v.

The time it takes the body to go around the circumference once is:

T = 2πr/v

Then the time it takes the body to go around a fourth of the circumference is T/4.

Now, imagine a diagram where when the body is at the leftmost portion of the circumference its velocity vector is pointing straight up, and when it is at the upmost portion of the circumference its velocity vector points entirely to the right. That is the body traveling over a fourth of the circumference.

Now, the magnitude of the acceleration vector required to make the body behave that way over a period of T/4 is (v√2)/(T/4). And (v√2)/(T/4) is an approximation of the centripetal acceleration for this case.

My question is: why is that an approximation? Why if I do the same thing over a smaller change in time I get closer to the centripetal acceleration? A circle is symmetric and the velocity is constant, right?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
V0ODO0CH1LD said:
Say I have a body moving in a circle of radius r with a constant velocity v.

The time it takes the body to go around the circumference once is:

T = 2πr/v

Then the time it takes the body to go around a fourth of the circumference is T/4.

Now, imagine a diagram where when the body is at the leftmost portion of the circumference its velocity vector is pointing straight up, and when it is at the upmost portion of the circumference its velocity vector points entirely to the right. That is the body traveling over a fourth of the circumference.
Agreed, so far.
Now, the magnitude of the acceleration vector ...
Not quite. This is the magnitude of the average acceleration, where the average acceleration is defined as
\vec{a_{avg}}=\frac{\Delta \vec{v}}{\Delta t}

... required to make the body behave that way over a period of T/4 is (v√2)/(T/4). And (v√2)/(T/4) is an approximation of the centripetal acceleration for this case.

My question is: why is that an approximation?
Because it is an average, and the actual instantaneous acceleration changes substantially (because it changes direction) during the time interval.
Why if I do the same thing over a smaller change in time I get closer to the centripetal acceleration?
Because, for a small time interval, the acceleration does not change direction very much, and is more closely approximated by its average over that time interval.
A circle is symmetric and the velocity is constant, right?
No, velocity is a vector and is not constant if its direction changes. Speed is constant, however.
 
That helped a lot! Thanks!

One for additional question though. How does all of that get summarised into (ω^2)*r or (v^2)/r?
 
You're welcome :smile:

This explains things pretty well:

http://scienceblogs.com/dotphysics/2009/07/basics-centripetal-acceleration/
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 37 ·
2
Replies
37
Views
5K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
911
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
4K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
4K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
1K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K