Circular Motion in a Simple Mass Spectrometer

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The problem involves a simple mass spectrometer where positive ions are accelerated through a potential difference and then enter a magnetic field. The objective is to determine the magnitude and direction of the magnetic field in terms of known quantities, including the mass of the ion and its charge.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate the magnetic field to the momentum and charge of the ion, expressing uncertainty about how to incorporate the electric potential into their calculations. Other participants suggest using energy equations to connect the potential difference to the ion's velocity.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different equations related to kinetic energy and electric potential. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between energy acquired by the ion and the potential difference, but there is still uncertainty about how to proceed with the missing variables.

Contextual Notes

There is confusion regarding the separation between the plates and its representation in the problem. The original poster notes a lack of information about the electric field and the distance between the plates, which complicates their ability to solve for the magnetic field.

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Homework Statement


In the simple mass spectrometer shown in the figure below, positive ions are generated in the ion source. They are released, traveling at very low speed, into the region between two accelerating plates between which there is a potential difference ΔV. In the shaded region there is a uniform magnetic field B
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; outside this region there is negligible magnetic field. The semicircle traces the path of one singly charged positive ion of mass M, which travels through the accelerating plates into the magnetic field region, and hits the ion detector as shown.

Determine the appropriate magnitude and direction of the magnetic field B
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, in terms of the known quantities shown in the figure below (in addition to M and q, where q is the charge on an ion).

Magnitude B = ?
direction = ?

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Homework Equations


Fmag = dp/dtmag = qvB
dp/dtmag = p(v/R) = p(omega), p = ymv
omega = q_mag * b / (ym)

The Attempt at a Solution


deltaV (I don't know what to do with electrical potential)
M (mass)
q (charge)
d/2 = R (radius)
v << c, y = 1, p = mv (approximation)

Fmag = dp/dtmag
qvB = p(v/R)
qvB = p(v/(d/2))
qB = p/(d/2))
B = p/(d/2))/q
B = 2p/dq, p = mv (approx.)
B = 2Mv/dq

This is wrong, probably because I'm not given velocity. However, I don't know how to get magnetic field without velocity? I think the problem is I don't know what to do with electric potential.
 
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Your ion with charge q is accelerating through the ΔV between the plates. Look for an equation relating the energy acquired by an electric charge accelerating through a potential difference.
 
1/2 mv^2 = q deltaV

This kinetic energy equation?

mv^2 = 2q deltaV
v^2 = 2q deltaV / m
v = sqr rt (2q delta V / m)
 
deltaV = Ed

But I'm missing both E and d? d is the separation between the plates but the variable d in the image seems to be a length.
 
Oribe Yasuna said:
deltaV = Ed

But I'm missing both E and d? d is the separation between the plates but the variable d in the image seems to be a length.
There's another equation that involves the charge.
 

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