Circular Motion: Net Force and Direction

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving circular motion, specifically focusing on the net force acting on a car driving around a circular track. The car's mass, speed, and the track's diameter are provided, prompting questions about the magnitude and direction of the net force, as well as the nature of the force causing this motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between linear and circular motion, with one participant expressing difficulty in understanding these concepts. Questions arise about how to determine the direction of the net force and the role of friction in maintaining circular motion. Others provide insights into centripetal acceleration and its implications for force direction.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes various interpretations of the problem, with some participants correcting calculations and clarifying the distinction between diameter and radius. Guidance is offered regarding the nature of forces acting on the car, but no consensus is reached on the specific calculations or conceptual understanding.

Contextual Notes

One participant notes that they missed relevant class material, indicating a potential gap in foundational knowledge that may affect their understanding of the problem. There is also mention of different methods to demonstrate concepts related to centripetal acceleration, suggesting variability in the educational approach.

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1. Homework Statement

A 1500 kg car drives around a flat 200-m-diameter circular track at 25 m/s. What is the magnitude and direction of the net force on the car? What causes this force?

2. Homework Equations

F=mv2/r


3. The Attempt at a Solution

So I suppose the net force is the force that maintains the circular motion. Thus,

Fnet=(1500)(25)2/2100=9375N


However, how exactly would I come to the conclusion that the direction of Fnet is toward the center and how do I determine that the force that causes this force to be frictional?

I missed the class that we covered this entire chapter in, I'm doing my best to play catch up but am having trouble making the connection between linear and circular motion, so if the answers could be dumbed down a little for me that would be awesome. Thank you.
 
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Suppose we have an object that moves with constant speed on a circular trajectory that has radius ##R## and is centered at the origin. Now the position vector of the object as function of time is

##(x(t),y(t))=(Rcos\omega t, Rsin\omega t)## ,

where ##\omega## is the angular speed. The acceleration of the object is the second time derivative of ##(x(t),y(t))##:

##a=\frac{d^{2}}{dt^{2}}(x(t),y(t))=(R\frac{d^{2}}{dt^{2}}cos\omega t, R\frac{d^{2}}{dt^{2}}sin\omega t)=(-R\omega^{2}cos\omega t, -R\omega^{2}sin\omega t)##.

In other words, the acceleration vector has direction opposite to the direction of the position vector, and therefore points to the center of the circular trajectory. You can also calculate the norm of the acceleration vector to find that ##|a|=R\omega^{2}=v^{2}/R##.

In your example, the only forces acting on the car are friction and gravity. As the car is at constant altitude, the net force must be horizontal and can only be caused by friction.
 
You got the formula correct, but did the math wrong. It should be F=4687.5N. If you draw a free-body diagram of the vehicle, you will see that the only external forces acting on the car are friction, gravity and the normal force of the road against the tires. Since gravity and the normal force are perpendicular to the direction of the acceleration, the only force that could cause that acceleration is friction.
 
Sylis said:
1. Homework Statement

However, how exactly would I come to the conclusion that the direction of Fnet is toward the center and how do I determine that the force that causes this force to be frictional?

I missed the class that we covered this entire chapter in, I'm doing my best to play catch up but am having trouble making the connection between linear and circular motion, so if the answers could be dumbed down a little for me that would be awesome. Thank you.

Well, you are supposed to know that for uniform circular motion the acceleration is along the radius, pointing towards the center. (for this reason called centripetal acceleration).
This results from the fact that only the direction of velocity changes and not its magnitude.
This can be shown by different methods, depending on the level of your class.
Probably you missed this part but it should be in the book.
So if the acceleration is centripetal, the force should have the same direction - this follows from Newton's second law.

If the motion is not uniform (speed increases or decreases while moving in a circle) then the acceleration has a tangential component too so the direction is not towards the center anymore.
 
johntcmb said:
You got the formula correct, but did the math wrong. It should be F=4687.5N.
200m is the diameter, not the radius.
 
haruspex said:
200m is the diameter, not the radius.

Thanks, I need to read the problem more clearly.
 

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