Circular Motion Problem: Spiderman's Swing Analysis

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The discussion revolves around two physics problems related to circular motion. The first problem involves Spiderman swinging from a web and calculating the forces acting on the web at the bottom of his swing. The second problem concerns a motorcycle rider inside a hollow sphere, determining the minimum speed required to avoid falling inside the sphere while maintaining circular motion.

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  • Participants explore the calculations of forces acting on Spiderman's web, including gravitational and centripetal forces. There is uncertainty about the application of work in the second part of the Spiderman problem. The motorcycle problem involves setting up equations for forces and acceleration to find the minimum speed required.

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Some participants express confidence in the calculations for Spiderman's swing, while others question the approach taken in part b regarding the use of work. The motorcycle problem receives positive feedback, with participants acknowledging the modeling of the motorcycle as a point mass, though some note the complexities of a more realistic model.

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Participants discuss the assumptions made in modeling the problems, such as treating the motorcycle as a point mass and the implications of torque in the sphere problem. There is an acknowledgment of the limitations of the models used in the discussions.

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Problem: Spiderman (mass = 90kg) is swinging from his web. His center of mass is 10.0m off of the ground and his web has a length of 8.0m. It is connected to a pivot point that is the same height as his center of mass (so the web is held horizontal to the ground as he begins his swing). While holding the web during his swing, his center of mass is an additional meter from the end of the web.
a) What is the force on the web at the moment he reaches the bottom of his swing?
b) The web has a breaking limit of 3300N. Will the web snap and if so, how can he change his starting height to prevent this from happening?

Attempt:
a) m=90kg, r=8.0m + 1.0m = 9.0m

i.
Eg=mgh
=(90 kg)(9.8 m/s^2)(9.0m)
=7938 J
ii.
Ek=0.5mv^2
7938 J = 0.5(90 kg)v^2
v=13.2816 m/s
iii.
Fac = mv^2/r
= (90 kg)(13.2816 m/s)^2/(9.0 m)
=1764 N
iv.
Fg = mg
=(90 kg)(9.8 m/s^2)
=882 N
v.
Ft = Fg + Fac
=1764 N + 882 N
=2646 N
=2.6e3 N

Therefore the force on the web at the moment he reaches the bottom of his swing is 2646 N.

b) (Not really sure about my use of distance in this one; I used the radii of the circle and of the rope to find the force acting on the rope.)
i.
W=Fd
W=(2646 N)(9.0m)
W=23814 J
ii.
W=Fd
23814 J = F(8.0m)
F=2976.75 N
=3.0e3 N

Therefore the web will not break.


I'm not really confident that any of this is correct, so please provide insight if you can. Thanks!
 
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Your answer to part a looks good to me, though you could have saved a bit of calculator arithmetic by solving it algebraically until the last step.

I don't know what you are trying to do in part b, though. (Looks like you are trying to apply the concept of work, but it's not working! For one thing, that force is the tension in the web at the bottom of the swing; it's not constant.) Hint: You already calculated the maximum tension in the web in part a--use it to answer part b.
 
Thank you for your help!

I have one more question:

A local circus act features a motorcycle rider inside a hollow sphere. He accelerates his bike to a certain velocity in order to allow himself to be able to drive along the equator of the sphere, parallel to the ground inside the sphere. The sphere has an inner diameter of 7.00m, the motorcycle and rider have a mass of 300kg and his tires have a \mu_s value of 0.900 with the inside surface of the sphere. What is the minimum speed he must attain in order to keep from falling inside the sphere?

Answer:
i.
\Sigma F_v = 0
\Sigma F_v = F_s - F_g
0 = F_s - F_g
F_s = F_g

ii.
F_a_c = F_N
F_s = F_N \mu_s
F_s = F_a_c \mu_s

iii.
F_s = F_g
F_a_c \mu_s = F_g
F_a_c = \frac{F_g}{\mu_s}

iv.
F_a_c = \frac{F_g}{\mu_s}
\frac{F_g}{\mu_s} = \frac{mv^2}{r}
\frac{mg}{\mu_s} = \frac{mv^2}{r}
v^2 = \frac{rg}{\mu_s}
v = \sqrt{\frac{rg}{\mu_s}}

v.
v = \sqrt{\frac{rg}{\mu_s}}
v = \sqrt{\frac{3.50m * 9.8 m/s^2}{0.900}}
v = 6.173 m/s
v = 6.2 m/s

Therefore the minimum speed is 6.2 m/s.
 
Looks good to me! (Realize that you are modeling the motorcycle as a particle, which is OK.)
 
Thanks again for your help!

I assumed that the cyclist was a point, though I guess in reality it would be something more of a problem involving the man on the motorcycle with his density/mass as a function of height and involving rigidity and centers of mass, etc. That's a lot more complex than a point mass, though :|.
 
I dare say. Even if modeled more simply than you suggest, the overall center of mass that gravity acts upon is is some distance from the sphere. In other words there is significant torque wanting to make this problems sol'n a bloody mess. In other words, imagine adding a stick figure sticking out from your point mass. Not asking for your thoughts, just adding some food for thought as was done for me a bit back on a similar problem.

Good post.
 

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