Circular Motion: Proof for Non-Uniform Circular Motion Acceleration

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the derivation and understanding of acceleration in non-uniform circular motion, contrasting it with uniform circular motion. Participants explore the components of acceleration, including centripetal and tangential acceleration, and the implications of varying angular velocity.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a derivation of centripetal acceleration for uniform circular motion and questions its validity in non-uniform circular motion due to the assumption of constant angular velocity.
  • Another participant suggests a method to derive the acceleration in non-uniform circular motion by differentiating the position vector in polar coordinates, leading to expressions for both tangential and normal accelerations.
  • A third participant clarifies that while centripetal acceleration remains defined as ω²R, its magnitude changes in non-uniform circular motion due to the variation of ω, and introduces the concept of tangential acceleration.
  • It is noted that the total acceleration is the vector sum of centripetal and tangential accelerations, which are perpendicular to each other, leading to a specific formula for the magnitude of total acceleration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the original proof for centripetal acceleration in non-uniform circular motion, with some agreeing on the need for adjustments due to changing angular velocity, while others provide methods to derive the necessary components without consensus on the original proof's validity.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of non-uniform circular motion, particularly regarding the assumptions made about angular velocity and the resulting implications for acceleration components. Some mathematical steps and definitions remain unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and educators in physics, particularly those interested in the dynamics of circular motion and the distinctions between uniform and non-uniform cases.

GeneralOJB
Messages
42
Reaction score
0
I have seen the derivation of the centripetal acceleration formula a=v^2/r by saying r= rcosθi+isinθj=rcosωti+rsinωtj and differentiating twice. Since ω is constant we get a=-ω^{2}r.

I've started looking at non-uniform circular motion where there is also the tangential acceleration vector component. I'm told that the component of acceleration directed towards the center of the circle has magnitude v^2/r, but I don't believe the original proof works because we assumed ω is constant, and now it isn't. Can this type of proof be made to work still?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Sure. Then you write
\vec{r}(t)=r \cos [\theta(t)] \vec{i} + r \sin[\theta(t)] \vec{j}
and differentiate twice (assuming r=\text{const}, because it's supposed to be a circular motion). Then you get
\vec{v}(t)=\dot{\vec{r}}(t) = -r \dot{\theta} \sin \theta \vec{i} + r \dot{\theta} \cos \theta \vec{j}=r \dot{\theta} \hat{\theta},
\vec{a}(t)=\dot{\vec{r}}(t)=-r \ddot{\theta} \sin \theta \vec{i} - r \dot{\theta}^2 \cos \theta \vec{i} + r \ddot{\theta} \cos \theta \vec{j} - r \dot{\theta}^2 \sin \theta \vec{j} =r \ddot{\theta} \hat{\theta}-r \dot{\theta}^2 \hat{r}.
Here I have used the orthonormal basis of the polar coordinates,
\hat{r}=\cos \theta \vec{i} + \sin \theta \vec{j}, \quad \hat{\theta}=-\sin \theta \vec{i}+\cos \theta \vec{j}.
It's clear that \hat{r} points perpendicularly outward from the circle (normal of the curve) and \hat{\theta} along the circle (tangent of the curve).

That shows that the tangential acceleration is
a_{\theta} = \hat{\theta} \cdot \vec{a}=r \ddot \theta
and the normal acceleration is indeed the momentaneous centripetal acceleration as in uniform circlar motion,
a_{r}=\hat{r} \cdot \vec{a} = -r \dot{\theta}^2.
It's easy to calculate that also then
a_{r}=-\frac{\vec{v}^2}{r}.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: 1 person
In uniform circular motion ω is constant which means centripetal acceleration ac2R is constant .

In case of non uniform circular motion centripetal acceleration is still given by ac2R ,but as you have rightly said ω is changing ,which means centripetal acceleration is also varying (magnitude changing with time).

In addition there is also tangential acceleration aT = dv/dt .

The net acceleration of the object is given by the vector sum of the two i.e ac and aT .

Since they are at right angles the magnitude is given by aTotal = √(ac2 + aT2)
 
Thanks a lot!
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 37 ·
2
Replies
37
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
849
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
4K