Clapton equation for water ice coexistence

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The discussion revolves around the Clapeyron equation as it applies to the coexistence of water and ice, specifically focusing on deriving the slope dp/dT at a given pressure and temperature using provided densities and latent heat of fusion.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the slope dp/dT using the Clapeyron equation, expressing concerns about the use of the latent heat of fusion and the correct interpretation of variables. Other participants question the consistency of units and the implications of using different volume units in calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's calculations and raising points about unit consistency and the correct application of the Clapeyron equation. There is no explicit consensus yet, but guidance regarding unit conversion and the need for clarity in variable definitions has been offered.

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Participants note potential confusion stemming from the original poster's lecture notes, particularly regarding the notation used for variables and the assumptions made about the system being analyzed.

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I meant to put Clapeyron equation, auto correct had other ideas...

Homework Statement



The densities of ice and water are 0.917 g cmE-1 and 1.00 g cmE-1 respectively. The latent heat of fusion of ice is 333 J gE-1. Use this information to derive the slope dp/dT of the water-ice coexistence line in atm/K at 1 atm pressure at 273K

Homework Equations



dp/dT= ΔH/TΔv = (Δv + pΔv)/ TΔv

And of course ρ = m/v

The Attempt at a Solution



V ice = vI, v water = vW
VI=1/0.917 vW=1 ∴ Δv= -0.0905125
∴ dp/dT=2*(-0.0905125)/-273*0.0905125 = 0.007326 atm/K

However I think this is wrong because I've not used the latent heat of fusion. A suspicion is that I may be using the wrong formula, my lecturer didn't have very distinguishable u's and v's... Is the equation for change in enthalpy Δu+pΔv or Δv+pΔv. If the former is true (seems more likely) how do I use the lhf?

Thanks :)
 
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:smile: Got it! I wish I had been more of a pain in the backside to the lecturer when he was writing down notes. He would never reference what the meaning of the symbols, just write them down.

1st year undergrads, be annoying to lecturers. I sure as hell know I'm going to be annoying next year!
 
Just a quick check of my answer, hope you don't mind:

dp/dT=(ml)/TΔv
= 333/ 273*(-0.0905125) = -13.48 atm/ K

I have assumed that this is for 1g of water.
 
Looks ok except you haven't kept track of your units. So you still have some work to do there.
 
Is it that I've used cm-3 instead of m-3 which I would have to use because of the standard units to calculate pressure?
 
Yes, that's part of the problem. Also, you need to think about your pressure unit.
 

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