Clarification in the definition of particle

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The discussion revolves around the definition of a particle, particularly in the context of classical mechanics. Participants explore the terms "idealised body" and "internal structure," debating their implications and interpretations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the terms "idealised body" and "internal structure" as defined in classical mechanics.
  • Another participant argues that the definition is flawed, asserting that "idealised body" lacks specificity and that internal structure refers to the components within an object, citing atoms and their constituents as examples.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the original definition is acceptable within the context of classical mechanics, explaining that an idealised body is one without spatial extension and cannot be divided into smaller components.
  • One participant distinguishes between fundamental particles, which cannot be divided, and composite particles, which consist of smaller parts but can be treated as a single entity.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the adequacy of the definition of a particle. Multiple competing views are presented, with no consensus reached on the interpretation of the terms involved.

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The discussion highlights the dependence on the context of classical mechanics for the definition and raises questions about the implications of internal structure and idealisation in particle physics.

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A red a book in classical mechanics , the author says A particle is an idealised body that occupies only a single point of space and has no internal structure clarify me these terms Idealised body and Internal structure
 
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I disagree with that definition. Idealised body doesn't mean anything special. Internal structure means what it is made of or what is inside. An atom has internal structure because it is made of electrons and a nucleus. The internal structure of a nucleus is protons and neutrons.
Protons are made of quarks. But it's silly to say a proton is not a particle. Of course it is. So that definition is wrong.

A particle is something that you can count. Quantized lumps of energy. I don't know of a better definition.
 
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Khashishi said:
I disagree with that definition.

OP was asking in the context of classical mechanics, and in that context the definition is just fine.

Loosely speaking, an idealized body with no internal structure is one with no spatial extension (we can say that it is at a single point in space, as opposed to something like a bacterium, which occupies a volume of space a few microns wide), and "no internal structure" means that we cannot divide the body into smaller components that we can analyze separately.
 
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A fundamental particle cannot be divided further. A composite particle is something that is composed of smaller parts, but can be treated as a single object. By single object, I mean the parts are all bound together, so the group can move around as a unit.
 
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