Classical Mechanics: Finding force, equilibrium points, turning points

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The discussion revolves around a classical mechanics problem involving the potential energy between two atoms in a molecule, specifically focusing on finding the force, equilibrium points, turning points, and analyzing the motion of a less massive atom influenced by a heavier atom at rest. The potential energy function is given as U(x) = −1/x^6 + 1/x^12.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of the force from the potential energy, the determination of equilibrium points, and the stability analysis. There are attempts to find turning points based on total energy and to simplify expressions for velocity. Some participants express confusion regarding the implications of complex solutions and the handling of energy values.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on simplifying expressions and using the quadratic formula. There is a recognition of the complexity in the solutions, and while some steps are skipped, the conversation indicates a collaborative effort to clarify the approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of specific energy values and the implications of these values on the motion of the system, which are under discussion but not resolved. Participants also note the importance of correctly applying the given energy in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


The potential energy between two atoms in a molecule is
U(x) = −1/x^6 +1/x^12
Assume that one of the atoms is very heavy and remains at the origin at rest, and the
other (m = 1) is much less massive and moves only in the x-direction.
(a) Find the force F(x).
(b) Find the equilibrium point x0 and check stability. Give a numerical value for x0
(c) If the system has a total energy E = −0.2, find the turning points, and the period
of oscillation.
(d) If the total energy was E = +0.2, describe the motion of the system.
(e) Find the period for small oscillations around equilibrium. Can the energy in part
(c) be considered “small” in this context?


Homework Equations



F(x)=-dU/dx (not sure though)
E=K+U


The Attempt at a Solution



a)
dU/dx = -6/x^7 +12/x^13

b) Set dU/dx to zero and I get:
6x^6-12=0
x=6√2 (I said the negative part is ignored since we are only interested in positive x)
Stability: second derivative of U evaluated at equilibrium point.
d2U/dx2=-42/x^8+156/x^14 = 12.699, so stable

c)
E=K+U=1/2mv^2-1/x^6+1/x^12
v^2=(2x^6-2-0.4x^12)/x^12
turning points when v=0,
5x^6-x^12-5=0

Now I'm stuck...
 
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JordanGo said:
c)
E=K+U=1/2mv^2-1/x^6+1/x^12
v^2=(2x^6-2-0.4x^12)/x^12
turning points when v=0,
5x^6-x^12-5=0

Now I'm stuck...
You completely ignored the given energy, E=-0.2.

Edit: The formula is correct, I was wrong.

ehild
 
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Sorry, I skipped a few steps, but I simplified the expression for v with E=-0.2 and I still get the same answer. I believe the answer is complex, I do not know how to deal with this.
 


JordanGo said:
Sorry, I skipped a few steps, but I simplified the expression for v with E=-0.2 and I still get the same answer. I believe the answer is complex, I do not know how to deal with this.
I checked it again, and I see now that your equation 5x^6-x^12-5=0 is correct. Using the quadratic formula, x^6=(5±√ 5)/2. The solutions are real. Take the sixth (real) root of each to get the turning points.

ehild
 


ok thanks! Can you show me how you simplified the expression?
 


Denote y=x^6. Your equation transforms to the quadratic -y^2-5y-5=0. Solve with the quadratic formula.

ehild
 


Easy enough, thanks for all the help!
 

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