Isospin decomposition of K->ππ decay

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The discussion revolves around the isospin decomposition of the decay process K->ππ, focusing on the representation of decay amplitudes and their relation to Clebsch-Gordan coefficients. Participants explore theoretical aspects of isospin in particle physics, particularly in the context of weak decays.

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  • One participant presents the isospin states of the pion system and their decomposition using Clebsch-Gordan coefficients, questioning why the decay amplitudes do not match the coefficients from the decomposition.
  • Another participant references an alternative source (Wikipedia) for the Clebsch-Gordan decomposition, suggesting it may clarify the issue.
  • A participant acknowledges a mistake in their earlier post but maintains that the coefficients in the decay amplitudes still do not align with those from the Clebsch-Gordan decomposition.
  • One participant provides a detailed derivation involving the Clebsch-Gordan coefficients and proposes a rescaling of amplitudes to match the textbook equations, although they note potential sign discrepancies.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of fictitious particles (spurions) related to the weak decay process, indicating that the situation may be more complex than initially presented.

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Participants express differing views on the coefficients in decay amplitudes and their relation to the Clebsch-Gordan decomposition. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing interpretations and approaches presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the decay process is weak, which may complicate the application of isospin as a good quantum number, highlighting the need for additional theoretical considerations.

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I'm studying the decay K->ππ and I have some doubts on the isospin decomposition. We know that the state (\pi\pi) can have total isospin 0 or 2. Now, if we remember that in the isospin representation we have |\pi^+\langle=|1,1\langle, |\pi^0\rangle=|1,0\rangle and |\pi^-\rangle=|1,-1\rangle, then using Clebsch-Gordan coefficients we find:

\begin{eqnarray}
|\pi^+\pi^-\rangle=\frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}|2,0\rangle+\frac{1}{ \sqrt{2}}|1,0\rangle+\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}|0,0\rangle \\
|\pi^0\pi^0\rangle=\sqrt{\frac{2}{3}}|2,0\rangle - \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}|0,0\rangle \\
|\pi^+\pi^0\rangle=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(|2,1\rangle + |1,1\rangle)
\end{eqnarray}

Now, my textbook says that we can decompose the decay amplitudes as follow:

\begin{eqnarray}
A_{K^0\rightarrow \pi^+\pi^-}=A_0e^{i\delta_0}+\frac{A_2}{\sqrt{2}}e^{i\delta_2} \\
A_{K^0\rightarrow \pi^0\pi^0}=A_0e^{i\delta_0}-\sqrt{2}e^{i\delta_2} \\
A_{K^+\rightarrow \pi^+\pi^0}=\frac{3}{2}A_2e^{i\delta_2}
\end{eqnarray}

where A0 and A2 are the aplitude referred to the final state with I=0,2.
The problem is: why the decay amplitudes don't present the same coefficient as in the Clebsch-Gordan decomposition?
 
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Instead of the second line, Wikipedia gives

|1,0> ⊗ |1,0> = √(2/3)|2,0> - √(1/3)|0,0>

Does that help?
 
My fault. I wrote wrong in the post but I did the calculation with the correct formula. I will correct it right now. Still if you see the coefficients of the firt and second group of equation don't match.
 
Well, how about this, the Clebsch-Gordan coefficients give

|0> = √(1/3)(|1,-1> + |-1,1> - |0,0>)
|2> = √(1/6)(|1,-1> + |-1,1>) + √(2/3) |0,0>

Let K0 decay into the state Φ ≡ B0|0> + B2|2>

= √(1/3)(|1,-1> + |-1,1>)(B0 + √(1/2)B2) - √(1/3)|0,0>(B0 - √2B2)

Rescaling A0 = √(1/3)B0, A2 = - √(1/3)B2 we get

Φ = (|1,-1> + |-1,1>)(A0 + √(1/2)A2) + |0,0>(A0 - √2A2), which reproduces the first two of the textbook equations.
 
Actually, if I haven't done wrong calculation, I think there are some signs that doesn't match. However I think the situation is a little more complicated as I read here: http://web.mit.edu/woodson/Public/Duarte_isospin.pdf
The article talk about some fictitious particles (spurion) that must be introduced because the decay is a weak one, while the isospin is a good quantum number for strong interaction. I'll see :biggrin:
Thank you very much
 

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