Clever coordinate substitution for linear PDE

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The discussion revolves around finding a clever coordinate substitution for a linear partial differential equation (PDE) of the form \(\frac{\partial f}{\partial t} + A(v^2 - v_r^2)\frac{\partial f}{\partial \phi} + B\cos(\phi)\frac{\partial f}{\partial v} = 0\). Participants explore various approaches to simplify or solve the equation, including an action-angle method and the method of characteristics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Simon proposes a coordinate substitution \(\{ \phi, v \} \rightarrow \{ r(\phi, v), s(\phi, v) \}\) with \(r(\phi, v) = A\left(\frac{1}{3}v^3 - v_r^2 v\right) - B\sin(\phi)\) to simplify the PDE.
  • Simon seeks to determine if there is a way to choose \(s(\phi, v)\) such that the coefficient in front of \(\partial f/\partial s\) becomes constant.
  • Another participant suggests that solving the PDE for \(s\) is equivalent to solving the time-independent version of the original equation.
  • Simon later proposes using \(s(\phi, v) = v\) after separating the time dependence, leading to a solvable ordinary differential equation (ODE).
  • One participant mentions the method of characteristics as a potential solution approach, which Simon confirms was indeed used in their solution process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to solve the PDE, with some supporting the method of characteristics while others explore alternative substitutions. No consensus is reached on a definitive solution or method.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that \(v_r\) is constant, and the integral derived in Simon's solution does not have an analytical solution, which may limit the applicability of their findings.

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Hi! I am currently working with a linear PDE on the form

\frac{\partial f}{\partial t} + A(v^2 - v_r^2)\frac{\partial f}{\partial \phi} + B\cos(\phi)\frac{\partial f}{\partial v} = 0.

A and B are constants. I wish to find a clever coordinate substitution that simplifies, or maybe even solves the problem. So far I have tried with an action-angle approach that reduces the dimensionality of the problem. I first assume a general substitution \lbrace\phi, v\rbrace \rightarrow \lbrace r(\phi, v), s(\phi, v)\rbrace, and choose

r(\phi, v) = A\left(\frac{1}{3}v^3 - v_r^2 v\right) - B\sin(\phi).

This choice then cancels all the \partial/\partial r terms, and one is left with

\frac{\partial f}{\partial t} + \left[A(v^2 - v_r^2)\frac{\partial s}{\partial\phi} + B\cos(\phi)\frac{\partial s}{\partial v}\right]\frac{\partial f}{\partial s} = 0.

Now I am left with the choice of s(\phi, v). Is there maybe a way to choose s such that the expression in front of \partial f/\partial s becomes constant? Am I even on the right track, or are there much more clever ways to solve the problem?

Thanks in advance,
Simon
 
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Sorry, I forgort to mention also that v_r is constant.
 
sith said:
Hi! I am currently working with a linear PDE on the form

\frac{\partial f}{\partial t} + A(v^2 - v_r^2)\frac{\partial f}{\partial \phi} + B\cos(\phi)\frac{\partial f}{\partial v} = 0.

A and B are constants. I wish to find a clever coordinate substitution that simplifies, or maybe even solves the problem. So far I have tried with an action-angle approach that reduces the dimensionality of the problem. I first assume a general substitution \lbrace\phi, v\rbrace \rightarrow \lbrace r(\phi, v), s(\phi, v)\rbrace, and choose

r(\phi, v) = A\left(\frac{1}{3}v^3 - v_r^2 v\right) - B\sin(\phi).

This choice then cancels all the \partial/\partial r terms, and one is left with

\frac{\partial f}{\partial t} + \left[A(v^2 - v_r^2)\frac{\partial s}{\partial\phi} + B\cos(\phi)\frac{\partial s}{\partial v}\right]\frac{\partial f}{\partial s} = 0.

Now I am left with the choice of s(\phi, v). Is there maybe a way to choose s such that the expression in front of \partial f/\partial s becomes constant? Am I even on the right track, or are there much more clever ways to solve the problem?

Thanks in advance,
Simon

You basically need to solve the PDE

$$A(v^2 - v_r^2)\frac{\partial s}{\partial\phi} + B\cos(\phi)\frac{\partial s}{\partial v} = \mbox{const}.$$

Note that, however, solving this equation is the same as solving the time-independent version of your original equation. e.g., let ##f(t,v,\phi) = g(v,\phi)\exp(\lambda t)##; your original equation will reduce to the same equation you would need to solve to get ##s(v,\phi)##.
 
Mute said:
You basically need to solve the PDE

$$A(v^2 - v_r^2)\frac{\partial s}{\partial\phi} + B\cos(\phi)\frac{\partial s}{\partial v} = \mbox{const}.$$

Note that, however, solving this equation is the same as solving the time-independent version of your original equation. e.g., let ##f(t,v,\phi) = g(v,\phi)\exp(\lambda t)##; your original equation will reduce to the same equation you would need to solve to get ##s(v,\phi)##.

Ah, yes, I see that.. =P But I think I actually have found a way to solve the problem. First to separate out the time dependence as you suggested. Then use the coordinate substitution ##r(\phi, v)## as I wrote in the first post, and simply put ##s(\phi, v) = v##. Then of course ##B\cos(\phi)## has to be rewritten in terms of ##r## and ##v##. I end up with an ODE that is solveable. The final result I got was

$$f(t, \phi, v) = f_0(r(\phi, v))\exp\left(\lambda\left[t \pm \int_0^v{\frac{d u}{\sqrt{B^2 - \left[A\left(\frac{u^3 - v^3}{3} - v_r(u - v)\right) + B\sin(\phi)\right]^2}}}\right]\right),$$

where ##\lambda## is a constant, ##f_0## is an arbitrary function of ##r(\phi,v)##, and the ##\pm## depends on ##\phi## (minus if ##|\phi| < \pi/2##). Well, the integral doesn't have an analytical solution as far as I know, and Mathematica didn't think so either, so I guess this is as far as one can get. And since the equation is linear one can add an arbitrary sum of these solutions as well. Anyway, thanks for the help Mute. :)
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems to me this equation can be solved using the method of characteristics.
 
Chestermiller said:
Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems to me this equation can be solved using the method of characteristics.

Yes, it was actually the method that I used to solve it (before I knew there was a name for the method =P). The substitution

$$r(\phi, v) = A\left(\frac{1}{3}v^3 - v_r^2 v\right) - B\sin(\phi)$$
is the characteristic of the ##\phi, v##-differential equation.
 

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