Climber hanging from a cliff and acceleration

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The problem involves a climber hanging from a cliff, connected to a rock, with a focus on calculating the climber's acceleration while considering forces such as tension and friction. The subject area includes dynamics and forces in a system involving multiple bodies.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the climber's acceleration using equations of motion but questions the relevance of the distance to the rock. Some participants discuss the role of friction and its opposing direction relative to the tension in the rope.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different aspects of the problem, including the equations of motion for both the climber and the rock. There is a suggestion to eliminate tension from the equations to find acceleration, and some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of friction.

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There is a mention of the distance (51 m) from the cliff edge, which the original poster is unsure how to incorporate into their calculations. The problem also involves specific values for mass and friction coefficient, which may influence the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A 75 kg climber finds himself dangling over the edge of an ice cliff. Fortunately, he's roped to a 920 kg rock located 51 m from the edge of the cliff. Assume that the coefficient of kinetic friction between rock and ice is 5.3×10^−2 . What is his acceleration? Neglect the rope's mass.


Homework Equations


Tension(rock)=tension(climber)=T
acceleration(rock)=acceleration(climber)=a

Climber(y):T-m(c)*g=m(c)*a
Rock(x):T+f(k)=m(r)*a
Rock(y):N-m(r)*g=0


The Attempt at a Solution


T=m(c)*a+m(c)*g
f(k)=mu(k)*N
N=m(r)*g

m(c)*a+m(c)*g+mu(k)*m(r)*g=m(r)*a
a=[m(c)*g+mu(k)*m(r)*g]/[m(r)-m(c)]
a=1.44 m/s^2

The computer is telling me that I have the wrong answer. Do I need to take the 51 m into account somehow? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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friction opposes relative motion. the rock wants to move in the direction of the tension of the rope, but the friction opposes it, which means its direction is opposite.
 
giggidygigg said:
friction opposes relative motion. the rock wants to move in the direction of the tension of the rope, but the friction opposes it, which means its direction is opposite.

Thanks! That gave me the right answer :)
 
Write out the individual equations of motion for the rock and the man, add them to eliminate T and solve for a. You do not need to take the length of the rope into account.
 

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