Clocks running slower is an illusion

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The discussion centers around the concept of time dilation in the context of special relativity (SR) and whether it can be considered an illusion or has true physical significance. Participants explore the implications of observer-dependent effects and the nature of time as perceived by different observers, touching on both theoretical and experimental aspects.

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  • Some participants assert that time dilation is not an illusion and is a measurable effect, while others argue that it is coordinate-dependent and thus can be viewed as an illusion.
  • A participant suggests that the term "illusion" is semantically problematic and that time dilation is better understood as a measurable phenomenon rather than a distortion of reality.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of acceleration on time dilation, with some claiming that time dilation becomes "real" when acceleration is involved, as opposed to purely relative motion.
  • One participant emphasizes that the proper interval is the only aspect of SR that is not an illusion, suggesting that other interpretations lead to confusion.
  • Experimental evidence is presented, such as the behavior of muons, to argue against the idea that time dilation is merely an illusion.
  • Participants discuss the challenges in teaching SR concepts, particularly regarding whether time dilation "really happens" or is merely a perception based on relative motion.
  • There is a mention of a thought experiment involving a dragster analogy to illustrate the relationship between spatial and temporal motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether time dilation is an illusion or a real effect. Multiple competing views are presented, with some supporting the idea of time dilation as a measurable phenomenon and others questioning its physical significance based on observer dependency.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include varying interpretations of terms like "illusion" and "coordinate-dependent," which may lead to misunderstandings. The debate also touches on the implications of acceleration and the proper interval in the context of SR.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying special relativity, educators seeking to clarify concepts of time dilation, and individuals curious about the philosophical implications of observer-dependent phenomena in physics.

  • #31
Oh, I see. I'll have to read up more on Epstein diagrams. Just found another link here:

http://www.relativity.li/en/epstein2/read/

I've met the idea of 4-velocity, but haven't really looked at alternative visualisations to Minkowski's yet.
 
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kev said:
Where two frames are moving relative to each other and remain strictly inertial (no acceleration) then perhaps in some sense the mutual time dilation is illusional because there is no absolute way to determine which clock is running slower than the other.
I don't think that's true kev. You could video tape (or digitally record) the action going on inside a close to c spaceship then examine it later when the ship is back on earth. Or transmit the digital data as a short burst of information (to avoid doppler complication). The ticking of time observed would be absolute, and should according to SR be equal to 1s/s - ie the same as on earth.

The ticking of time when observed through an Earth based stationary telephoto camera tracking the spaceship occupants throgh a side window should be time dilated acording to SR. So theoretically it could be tested - just not with todays technology, since we can't get spaceships close enough to c that's all.
 

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