Clocks running slower is an illusion

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The discussion centers on the interpretation of time dilation in special relativity (SR) and whether it is an "illusion." Participants argue that while time dilation is measurable and coordinate-dependent, some view it as an illusion due to the lack of an absolute frame of reference. The debate highlights the semantic confusion surrounding terms like "illusion" and "real," with some asserting that SR effects are not illusions but rather reflections of different reference frames. The conversation also touches on how observers perceive time differently based on their relative motion, emphasizing that these effects are real in contexts involving acceleration or gravitational influence. Ultimately, the discussion reveals ongoing complexities in understanding the nature of time and measurement in physics.
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Oh, I see. I'll have to read up more on Epstein diagrams. Just found another link here:

http://www.relativity.li/en/epstein2/read/

I've met the idea of 4-velocity, but haven't really looked at alternative visualisations to Minkowski's yet.
 
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kev said:
Where two frames are moving relative to each other and remain strictly inertial (no acceleration) then perhaps in some sense the mutual time dilation is illusional because there is no absolute way to determine which clock is running slower than the other.
I don't think that's true kev. You could video tape (or digitally record) the action going on inside a close to c spaceship then examine it later when the ship is back on earth. Or transmit the digital data as a short burst of information (to avoid doppler complication). The ticking of time observed would be absolute, and should according to SR be equal to 1s/s - ie the same as on earth.

The ticking of time when observed through an Earth based stationary telephoto camera tracking the spaceship occupants throgh a side window should be time dilated acording to SR. So theoretically it could be tested - just not with todays technology, since we can't get spaceships close enough to c that's all.
 

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