Closed-form solution for an integral

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The discussion revolves around the search for a closed-form solution for the integral \(\int_0^z\frac{1}{1+z-x}\frac{1}{(1+x)^K}\,dx\) for positive integer values of \(K\) and non-negative \(z\). Participants explore various approaches, computational challenges, and the implications of referencing solutions in academic papers.

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  • One participant inquires about the existence of a closed-form solution for the integral, noting the lack of references in integral tables.
  • Another participant mentions that Wolfram Alpha provides a solution involving the Hypergeometric function, which is an infinite series.
  • A participant expresses frustration with computational limits encountered while attempting to evaluate definite integrals, suggesting that reliance on Mathematica may not be acceptable for academic purposes.
  • Some participants propose that proving the correctness of the integral through differentiation could suffice for academic standards, despite concerns about the method being perceived as non-systematic.
  • There is a discussion about the expectations of reviewers regarding the citation of integral solutions, with differing opinions on whether a systematic derivation is necessary.
  • Participants explore the possibility of using partial fraction decomposition to express the integral in a more manageable form, suggesting that coefficients can be determined through linear equations.
  • Further elaboration on building solutions incrementally for different values of \(k\) is presented, highlighting a methodical approach to deriving coefficients and integrals.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of systematic derivation versus simply referencing known solutions. There is no consensus on the best approach to presenting the integral solution in an academic context.

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Participants note limitations regarding computational resources and the challenges of proving the correctness of integrals without a clear derivation. The discussion reflects varying standards across different fields regarding the citation of mathematical results.

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Hello all,

Is there a closed form solution for the following integral

\int_0^z\frac{1}{1+z-x}\frac{1}{(1+x)^K}\,dx

for a positive integer ##K\geq 1##, and ##z\geq 0##? I searched the table of integrals, but couldn't find something similar.

Thanks in advance for any hint
 
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Thanks. I tried to compute the definite integral from 0 to 1, and from 0 to 0.5, but gave me "Standard computation time exceeded ...". I think this is because it is an online version of Mathematica with limited resources. I guess I can use the indefinite integral to find the definite one, but this is for an academic paper, and I need to reference the solution. I don't think saying that Mathematica gave this solution is acceptable, isn't it?
 
  1. EngWiPy said:
    I don't think saying that Mathematica gave this solution is acceptable, isn't it?
    No but you should be able to prove that the integral is correct by differentiating it and matching it to what you started with. You will probably need to use some facts about Hypergeometric numbers to complete that, but I imagine the ones you need will be available in the above-linked wiki article on those numbers. There are formulas for differentiation of the function wrt its fourth argument, which will be needed, here.
 
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andrewkirk said:
  1. No but you should be able to prove that the integral is correct by differentiating it and matching it to what you started with. You will probably need to use some facts about Hypergeometric numbers to complete that, but I imagine the ones you need will be available in the above-linked wiki article on those numbers. There are formulas for differentiation of the function wrt its fourth argument, which will be needed, here.

I am sorry, but this means that I somehow found the solution, and then proved it is the correct solution backwardly. Reviewers will ask how I obtained the solution in the first place. I think it will be hard to convince them without a forward solution.

I was thinking that the above integral can be written as

<br /> A\int_0^z(1+z-x)^{-1}\,dx +\sum_{k=1}^KB_k\int_0^z(1+x)^{-k}\,dx<br />

using partial fraction decomposition. The coefficients can be found by solving ##K+1## linear equations, and I think the resulted integrals have solutions.
 
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EngWiPy said:
Reviewers will ask how I obtained the solution in the first place.
What journal are you writing for? I can't think of any journal that sets that standard. What reviewers are concerned about are that mathematical results are proved to be correct, not how you came up with the result. Differentiation and matching constitutes a proof that the integral is correct, and that is all that any reviewer I have ever known would be concerned with.
 
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I have reviewed papers in my field, and if encountered with a similar situation, I probably would question the method, because it is not systematic and doesn't provide guidance on how to solve the integral. It seems like guessing, then testing the guess, which, although correct, isn't systematic.
 
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EngWiPy said:
I have reviewed papers in my field, and if encountered with a similar situation, I probably would question the method, because it is not systematic and doesn't provide guidance on how to solve the integral.

That criticism is understandable if your field investigates "How to solve integrals". However, papers on many scientific topics simply state solutions to integrations because they are a side issue. They often leave verification of the integrations to the referees and readers.
 
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Stephen Tashi said:
That criticism is understandable if your field investigates "How to solve integrals". However, papers on many scientific topics simply state solutions to integrations because they are a side issue. They often leave verification of the integrations to the referees and readers.

I don't know if this is different across fields, but in my field I haven't seen a paper that doesn't reference a solution to an integral, if it isn't derived in the paper itself, and I have learned through the years to reference any equation that I am not deriving. Usually researchers reference the Table of Integrals if the solution is there, which is a reliable reference to reviewers. You don't have to show how to reach to the solutions, but you need to cite a reliable reference.
 
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EngWiPy said:
I don't know if this is different across fields, but in my field I haven't seen a paper that doesn't reference a solution to an integral, if it isn't derived in the paper itself, and I have learned through the years to reference any equation that I am not deriving. Usually researchers reference the Table of Integrals if the solution is there, which is a reliable reference to reviewers. You don't have to show how to reach to the solutions, but you need to cite a reliable reference.
It's very common to just say that a result can be verified. Integrals, solutions to differential equations, etc. are full of solutions that are just known to be true due to a "lucky" coincidence. All you are responsible for is due diligence in showing that your statements are true and verifyable.
 
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Interesting. I was talking the other day with a researcher with a math background, and he says the same thing (he uses Mathematica to find solution to integrations, without even verifying). It seems that this is a common and acceptable practice in mathematics and maybe in physics as well.
 
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EngWiPy said:
<br /> A\int_0^z(1+z-x)^{-1}\,dx +\sum_{k=1}^KB_k\int_0^z(1+x)^{-k}\,dx<br />
using partial fraction decomposition. The coefficients can be found by solving ##K+1##" linear equations,

Maybe we can build up the solutions to the equations rather than starting from scratch for each value of ##k##

Begin with ##k = 1## by finding ##A,B## that give the expansion
##f(x) = \frac{1}{(1 + z - x)(1+x)} = \frac{A}{1+z-x} + \frac{B}{1+x}##

##A = B = \frac{1}{z+2}##

Then
## \frac{1}{(1 + z - x)(1+x)^2}= f(x)\frac{1}{(1+x)} = \frac{A}{(1+z-x)(1+x)} + \frac{B}{(1+x)(1+x)} ##
## \ = A ( \frac {1}{(1+z-x)(1+x)}) + \frac{B}{(1+x)^2} ##
## \ = A (\frac{A}{(1+z-x)} + \frac{B}{(1+x)} ) + \frac{B}{(1+x)^2}##
##\ = A^2 \frac{1}{1+z-x} + AB\frac{1}{1+x} + B \frac{1}{(1+x)^2}##

By a similar process
##\frac{1}{(1+z-x)(1+x)^3} = A^3 \frac{1}{1+z-x} + A^2B \frac{1}{1+x} + AB\frac{1}{(1+x)^2} + B\frac{1}{(1+x)^3}##
 
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Stephen Tashi said:
Maybe we can build up the solutions to the equations rather than starting from scratch for each value of ##k##

Begin with ##k = 1## by finding ##A,B## that give the expansion
##f(x) = \frac{1}{(1 + z - x)(1+x)} = \frac{A}{1+z-x} + \frac{B}{1+x}##

##A = B = \frac{1}{z+2}##

Then
## \frac{1}{(1 + z - x)(1+x)^2}= f(x)\frac{1}{(1+x)} = \frac{A}{(1+z-x)(1+x)} + \frac{B}{(1+x)(1+x)} ##
## \ = A ( \frac {1}{(1+z-x)(1+x)}) + \frac{B}{(1+x)^2} ##
## \ = A (\frac{A}{(1+z-x)} + \frac{B}{(1+x)} ) + \frac{B}{(1+x)^2}##
##\ = A^2 \frac{1}{1+z-x} + AB\frac{1}{1+x} + B \frac{1}{(1+x)^2}##

By a similar process
##\frac{1}{(1+z-x)(1+x)^3} = A^3 \frac{1}{1+z-x} + A^2B \frac{1}{1+x} + AB\frac{1}{(1+x)^2} + B\frac{1}{(1+x)^3}##

Very elegant. In general we can write

\frac{1}{(1+z-x)(1+x)^k} = \frac{A^k}{(1+z-x)}+B\sum_{m=1}^k\frac{A^{k-m}}{(1+x)^m}

All we have to calculate in this case is just ##A## and ##B##. Thanks
 

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