Closed Sets - Sohrab Exercise 2.2.4 - Part 2

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The discussion revolves around Exercise 2.2.4 Part (2) from Houshang H. Sohrab's "Basic Real Analysis," focusing on the properties of closed sets and the union of intervals defined as $$I_n = [ \frac{1}{n}, 1 - \frac{1}{n} ]$$. Participants are exploring the implications of these intervals and their union, particularly in the context of proving that the union equals the open interval (0,1).

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter expresses difficulty in starting the exercise and reflects on the case for $$n=1$$, suggesting it may be treated as $$\emptyset$$.
  • Peter proposes that $$\bigcup_{n=1}^{\infty} I_n = (0,1)$$ but is unsure how to prove this intuition.
  • Another participant agrees with Peter's intuition about the union of intervals and provides reasoning based on the definition of union, considering different cases for $$x$$.
  • Further clarification is offered regarding the relationship between closed and open sets, noting that claims about closed sets can be derived from those about open sets by taking complements.
  • Peter requests additional help to proceed with the proof despite the previous contributions.
  • A later reply outlines a structured approach to proving that $$\bigcup_{n=1}^\infty I_n=(0,1)$$ by analyzing the membership of $$x$$ in the intervals and the union.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the intuition that the union of the intervals is (0,1), but there is no consensus on the proof or the next steps to take. Some participants provide supportive reasoning while others express confusion and seek further clarification.

Contextual Notes

The discussion relies on the definitions of open and closed sets, and the proof involves analyzing cases based on the values of $$x$$. There are unresolved aspects regarding the formal proof structure and the implications of the exercise's requirements.

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I am reading Houshang H. Sohrab's book: "Basic Real Analysis" (Second Edition).

I am focused on Chapter 2: Sequences and Series of Real Numbers ... ...

I need help with a part of Exercise 2.2.4 Part (2) ... ...

Exercise 2.2.4 Part (2) reads as follows:https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/7183In the above text from Sohrab we read the following:

" ... ...Using the infinite collection $$[ \frac{1}{n}, 1 - \frac{1}{n} ], \ n \in \mathbb{N}$$, show the latter statement is false if $$\Lambda$$ is infinite ... ... "
I am unable to make a meaningful start on this problem ... can someone help me with the exercise ...

Peter
Note: For $$n = 1$$, the interval is [1,0] which does make much sense ... I guess we take that case as equal to $$\emptyset$$ ...

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After some reflection I am beginning to believe that $$\bigcup_{ n = 1}^{ \infty } I_n = (0,1)$$ where $$I_n = [ \frac{1}{n}, 1 - \frac{1}{n} ]$$ ... but ... sadly ... I cannot prove this intuition is correct ...

Note that Sohrab doesn't define limits or convergence until after setting this exercise ...=========================================================================================

The above exercise relies on the definition of open sets and related concepts and so to provide readers with a knowledge of Sohrab's definitions and notation I am provided the following text ...https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/7184
 
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Peter said:
For $$n = 1$$, the interval is [1,0] which does make much sense ... I guess we take that case as equal to $$\emptyset$$
I think this is reasonable.

Peter said:
After some reflection I am beginning to believe that $$\bigcup_{ n = 1}^{ \infty } I_n = (0,1)$$ where $$I_n = [ \frac{1}{n}, 1 - \frac{1}{n} ]$$ ... but ... sadly ... I cannot prove this intuition is correct
This is correct and is proved by definition of union. Consider the cases $x\le 0$, $0<x<1$ and $x\ge 1$.

Note that the claims about the infinite intersection and finite union of closed sets, as well as the counterexample about the infinite union of closed sets, can be obtained from the corresponding claims about open sets by taking the complement.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
I think this is reasonable.

This is correct and is proved by definition of union. Consider the cases $x\le 0$, $0<x<1$ and $x\ge 1$.

Note that the claims about the infinite intersection and finite union of closed sets, as well as the counterexample about the infinite union of closed sets, can be obtained from the corresponding claims about open sets by taking the complement.
Thanks Evgeny ... but I am still perplexed as to how to proceed ...

Can you help further ...

Peter
 
We want to show that
\[
\bigcup_{n=1}^\infty I_n=(0,1)\qquad(*)
\]
where $I_n=\left[\frac{1}{n},1-\frac{1}{n}\right]$. If $x\le0$, then $x\notin I_n$ for all $n$, so $x\notin\bigcup I_n$. Also, $x\notin(0,1)$. Similar for $x\ge1$. If $0<x<1$, then consider $n\in\mathbb{N}$ such that $n>\max\left(\frac{1}{x},\frac{1}{1-x}\right)$. Then $n>1/x$ and $n>1/(1-x)$, so $x>1/n$ and $1-x>1/n$, which means that $x\in[1/n,1-1/n]=I_n$. Thus $x\in\bigcup I_n$, and obviously $x\in (0,1)$. So in all three cases $x$ belongs or does not belong to the left- and right-hand sides of (*) simultaneously.
 

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