Closed Under Scalar Multiplication: Subspace Question Vector Space V = Rn

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a subset S of the vector space V = Rn, specifically examining whether S is closed under scalar multiplication. The set S is defined as S = {(x, 2x, 3x, ..., nx) | x is a real number}.

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  • Participants explore the implications of scalar multiplication on the vectors in S, questioning whether multiplying a vector in S by a scalar results in another vector that remains in S. There is discussion about the nature of the scalar and its effect on the form of the vectors.

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Participants are actively questioning the conditions under which S remains closed under scalar multiplication, particularly focusing on whether negative scalars yield vectors still within S. Some guidance is offered regarding the structure of vectors in S, but no consensus has been reached.

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There is an emphasis on the definition of x as a real number, which raises questions about the implications of using both positive and negative scalars in the context of the set S.

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Vector space V = Rn, S = {(x,2x,3x,...,nx) | x is a real number}

I know that it is closed under addition, but to be closed under scalar mult...
say r is a scalar, then

Say we multiply S by -4

Then -4S = (-4x,-8x,...-4nx)

Because the problem never stated that the number infront of x should be pos or neg, all it said was that "x is a real number" so when I mult S by a number r x is still a real number... does this explain why S is closed under scalar mult? or not exactly?
 
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Miike012 said:
Vector space V = Rn, S = {(x,2x,3x,...,nx) | x is a real number}

I know that it is closed under addition, but to be closed under scalar mult...
say r is a scalar, then

Say we multiply S by -4
S is a set of vectors. You're not multiplying S by a scalar; you're multiplying an arbitrary vector in S by a scalar.

Let v be a vector in S, which means that v = a<1, 2, 3, ..., n> for some scalar a. Is kv also in S?
Miike012 said:
Then -4S = (-4x,-8x,...-4nx)

Because the problem never stated that the number infront of x should be pos or neg, all it said was that "x is a real number" so when I mult S by a number r x is still a real number... does this explain why S is closed under scalar mult? or not exactly?
 
well is -4v in S?

if i multiply some vector in S by a negative scalar will that new vector still be in S?
 
Miike012 said:
well is -4v in S?

if i multiply some vector in S by a negative scalar will that new vector still be in S?
Why wouldn't it be? Every vector in S is in the form <1x, 2x, 3x, ..., nx> for some real number x. Isn't this the same as x <1, 2, 3, ..., n>?
 

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