Closure of Connected Space is Connected

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The discussion revolves around the property of connected spaces in topology, specifically addressing the claim that the closure of a connected space is also connected. The original poster presents a proof attempt involving the separation of the closure of a connected set within a topological space.

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  • Participants explore the implications of connectedness in the context of subspace topologies and question the adequacy of the original proof's assumptions regarding separations. There is a focus on the definitions of connectedness and separation, with suggestions to clarify the use of open sets in the argument.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original proof attempt and suggesting alternative approaches. Some participants express concerns about the clarity and rigor of the definitions used, while others attempt to refine the argument by introducing relevant theorems.

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Participants note the importance of using standard definitions in topology, particularly regarding separations and connectedness, and emphasize the need for clear justification of claims made in the proof attempts.

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Homework Statement


If ##C## is a connected space in some topological space ##X##, then the closure ##\overline{C}## is connected.

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Suppose that ##\overline{C} = A \cup B## is separation; hence, ##A## and ##B## are disjoint and do not share limit points, which means ##A \cap \overline{B}## and ##\overline{A} \cap B## are both empty. Since ##C## is connected and is contained in ##\overline{C} = A \cup B##, it must be contained in exactly one of the two partitions. WLOG, suppose that ##C \subseteq A##. Then ##C \subseteq A \subseteq \overline{C}## implies ##\overline{A} = \overline{C}##, and therefore ##\emptyset = \overline{A} \cap B = \overline{C} \cap B## implies ##B= \emptyset. Hence, ##\overline{C}## is connected.

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Bashyboy said:
Since ##C## is connected and is contained in ##\overline{C} = A \cup B##, it must be contained in exactly one of the two partitions.
I think a little more is needed here. C is connected in the topology of X but to argue that that means it is in either A or B you need to first show that C is connected in the subspace topology of ##\bar C## (as it is in that topology that A and B are open, not necessarily the topology of X).
 
Okay. Here is an attempt a remedying the solution. First, let ##cl_X(S)## denote the closure of ##S## in ##X##'s topology, and likewise ##cl_{\overline{C}}(S)## denotes the closure of ##S## in ##\overline{C}##'s topology. By way of contradiction, suppose that ##C## is separated in ##\overline{C}##. Then there exist ##P, Q \subseteq \overline{C}## such that ##C = P \cup Q## and ##cl_{\overline{C}}(P) \cap Q## and ##P \cap cl_{\overline{C}}(Q)## are both empty. But since ##\overline{C}## is closed in ##X##, ##cl_{\overline{C}}(P) = cl_X(P)## and ##cl_{\overline{C}}((Q) = cl_X(Q)##, and therefore ##cl_X(P) \cap Q## and ##P \cap cl_X(Q)## are both empty. This means that ##C## is separated in ##X##, contradicting our hypothesis.

Sorry for the funky notation.
 
Bashyboy said:
suppose that ##C## is separated in ##\overline{C}##. Then there exist ##P, Q \subseteq \overline{C}## such that ##C = P \cup Q## and ##cl_{\overline{C}}(P) \cap Q## and ##P \cap cl_{\overline{C}}(Q)## are both empty.
Your notation is fine. What you wrote is perfectly clear. Unfortunately, I don't find the above convincing. The 'Then there exist...' does not use the standard definition of a separation, as it does not say anything about open sets. Maybe you are using some theorem about a criterion that is equivalent to the definitional criterion for being a separation, but if so that theorem needs to be quoted.

I think the problem is actually easiest to do just using the basic definition of separation/connectedness, which is that C is connected in X iff for any open subsets A,B of X such that ##C=(A\cap C)\cup (B\cap C)## (which we note is equal to ##(A\cup B)\cap C## so that the condition may be restated as ##C\subseteq A\cup B##), the set ##(A\cap C)\cap(B\cap C)## must be non-empty (and we note that is equal to ##A\cap B\cap C##).

So to prove that ##\bar C## is connected in X given that C is, suppose that there are open subsets A,B of X such that ##\bar C\subseteq A\cup B##. Then it is fairly straightforward to use the above definition of connectedness of C in X to prove the connectedness of ##\bar C##.
 
andrewkirk said:
Maybe you are using some theorem about a criterion that is equivalent to the definitional criterion for being a separation, but if so that theorem needs to be quoted.

Yeah...Sorry about that. Here is the theorem I am using:

If ##Y## is a subspace of ##X##, a separation of ##Y## is a pair of disjoint nonempty sets ##A## and ##B## whose union is ##Y,## neither of which contains a limit point of the other (i.e., ##\overline{A} \cap B## and ##A \cap \overline{B}## are both empty)

Of course, ##\overline{A}## denotes the closure of ##A## in ##X## which is ##cl_X(A)## using my notation.
 

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