Topology on a set ##X## (find interior, closure and boundary of sets)

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The discussion revolves around the properties of topologies defined on a nonempty set ##X##, specifically focusing on the interior, closure, and boundary of subsets of ##X## with respect to two distinct topologies. The original poster presents their attempts to analyze these properties based on the definitions provided.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the definitions of open and closed sets in the context of the two topologies. There are attempts to clarify the reasoning behind the closure of sets and the nature of sets that are both open and closed (clopen sets). Some participants question the original poster's reasoning regarding the relationship between open and closed sets.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and properties of topological concepts, with a focus on ensuring clarity and correctness in their reasoning. There is an emphasis on the need for precise language when discussing the relationships between open and closed sets.

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Homework Statement .

Let ##X## be a nonempty set and let ##x_0 \in X##.

(a) ##\{U \in \mathcal P(X) : x_0 \in U\} \cup \{\emptyset\}## is a topology on ##X##.
(b) ##\{U \in \mathcal P(X) : x_0 \not \in U\} \cup \{X\}## is a topology on ##X##.

Describe the interior, the closure and the boundary of the subsets of ##X## with respect to each of these two topologies. The attempt at a solution.

(a) Let ##A \subset X##. Suppose ##x_0 \in A##, then ##A## is open so ##A=A^{\circ}##. Now suppose ##x_0 \not \in A##. Then, for any ##S \subset A##, ##x \not \in S## so ##A## doesn't contain open sets appart from ##\emptyset##; from here one deduces ##A^{\circ}=\emptyset##.

If ##x_0 \not \in A##, then ##A## is closed, so ##A=\overline{A}##.

If ##x_0 \in A##, then ##A## is open and note that for any ##F## such that ##A \subset F##, ##x_0 \in F##, this means there isn't any closed set containing ##A## appart from ##X##, so ##\overline{A}=X##.

(b) If ##x_0 \not \in A##, then ##A## is open, so ##A=A^{\circ}##. If ##x_0 \in A##, then ##x \in A^{\circ}## iff there is ##U## open such that ##x \in U \subset A##. As ##x_0 \not \in U##, it is easy to see that ##A^{\circ}=A \setminus \{x_0\}##.

If ##x_0 \in A##, A is closed so ##\overline{A}=A##. If ##x_0 \not \in A##, then, the smallest closed set containing ##A## is ##A \cup \{x_0\}## so ##\overline{A}=A \cup \{x_0\}##.

I can describe the boundary of ##A## in (a) and (b) using the identity ##∂A=\overline{A} \setminus A^{\circ}## but I wanted to know if what I did up to now is correct.
 
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Homework Statement .

Let ##X## be a nonempty set and let ##x_0 \in X##.

(a) ##\{U \in \mathcal P(X) : x_0 \in U\} \cup \{\emptyset\}## is a topology on ##X##.
(b) ##\{U \in \mathcal P(X) : x_0 \not \in U\} \cup \{X\}## is a topology on ##X##.

Describe the interior, the closure and the boundary of the subsets of ##X## with respect to each of these two topologies. The attempt at a solution.

(a) Let ##A \subset X##. Suppose ##x_0 \in A##, then ##A## is open so ##A=A^{\circ}##. Now suppose ##x_0 \not \in A##. Then, for any ##S \subset A##, ##x \not \in S## so ##A## doesn't contain open sets appart from ##\emptyset##; from here one deduces ##A^{\circ}=\emptyset##.

If ##x_0 \not \in A##, then ##A## is closed, so ##A=\overline{A}##.

If ##x_0 \in A##, then ##A## is open and note that for any ##F## such that ##A \subset F##, ##x_0 \in F##, this means there isn't any closed set containing ##A## appart from ##X##, so ##\overline{A}=X##.
Are you thinking that "If U is open then it cannot be closed"? That is NOT in general true. There exist topologies in which there exist sets that are both open and closed and, indeed, a topology in which all sets are both open and closed.

(b) If ##x_0 \not \in A##, then ##A## is open, so ##A=A^{\circ}##. If ##x_0 \in A##, then ##x \in A^{\circ}## iff there is ##U## open such that ##x \in U \subset A##. As ##x_0 \not \in U##, it is easy to see that ##A^{\circ}=A \setminus \{x_0\}##.

If ##x_0 \in A##, A is closed so ##\overline{A}=A##. If ##x_0 \not \in A##, then, the smallest closed set containing ##A## is ##A \cup \{x_0\}## so ##\overline{A}=A \cup \{x_0\}##.

I can describe the boundary of ##A## in (a) and (b) using the identity ##∂A=\overline{A} \setminus A^{\circ}## but I wanted to know if what I did up to now is correct.

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I don't see anything wrong, but I agree with Halls that your explanation of why ##\overline A=X## in part (a) sounds a little bit like "since it it's open, it can't be closed". So you may want to clarify that if F≠X, then F isn't closed because its complement isn't open.
 
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Fredrik said:
I don't see anything wrong, but I agree with Halls that your explanation of why ##\overline A=X## in part (a) sounds a little bit like "since it it's open, it can't be closed". So you may want to clarify that if F≠X, then F isn't closed because its complement isn't open.

I know that there exist clopen sets so I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that. I would like to know if now it is well justified: suppose ##F \neq X##, since ##x_0 \not \in F^c##, then ##F^c## is not open, which implies ##{F^c}^c=F## can't be closed.
 
Yes, that works.
 

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