Cofactor Expansion: Find Determinant of 4x3 Matrix

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The discussion revolves around finding the determinant of a 4x3 matrix, which is a topic in linear algebra. Participants are exploring the properties of determinants and the cofactor expansion method.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss their attempts to calculate the determinant using different rows, noting discrepancies in their results. Questions arise regarding the consistency of the determinant across different expansion methods.

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Some participants have provided insights into the calculations, with one noting a realization about a mistake in their approach. There is an ongoing exploration of why different rows yield different results, indicating a productive dialogue.

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There is mention of confusion regarding the determinant calculation, particularly related to the presence of zero entries in the matrix. Participants are also reflecting on the implications of their findings in the context of determinant properties.

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Homework Statement


Find the determinant of
4...3...-5
5...2...-3
0..-1...2



The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried to get the answer using each of the 3 rows and each time I get a different answer. For the first row I get 14, the second row I get -31, and the third row I get -1. However, I thought that the determinant would be the same value for whichever row (or column) you choose to expand.
 
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fk378 said:

Homework Statement


Find the determinant of
4...3...-5
5...2...-3
0..-1...2



The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried to get the answer using each of the 3 rows and each time I get a different answer. For the first row I get 14, the second row I get -31, and the third row I get -1. However, I thought that the determinant would be the same value for whichever row (or column) you choose to expand.
Yes, it certainly should be!

Expanding by the first column (since it has only 2 non-zero entries):
[tex]\left|\begin{array}{ccc}4 & 3 & -5 \\ 6 & 2 & -3 \\ 0 & -1 & 2 \end{array}\right|= 4\left|\begin{array}{cc}2 & -3 \\ -1 & 2\end{array}\left|- 5\right|\begin{array}{cc} 3 & -5 \\ -1 & 2\end{array}\right|[/tex]
[tex]4(4- 3)- 5(6- 5)= 4(1)- 5(1)= -1[/tex]
The determinant is -1. I notice that is what you got using the third row which also has only two non-zero entries. Perhaps it is that third entry that is confusing you.
 
But if you try to work out the determinant using the other rows that do not contain the 0 entry, it does not come out to -1! Why?
 
Ah, I just realized I wasn't multiplying one of the terms with the cofactor expansion! I feel silly...thanks for your help though!
 

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