Collision and using x and y coordinates.

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a collision between two individuals, Sam and Abigail, on a frictionless surface. The scenario requires determining their speeds before the collision and analyzing the change in kinetic energy during the collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of momentum conservation equations in both x and y directions to find initial velocities. There are attempts to solve for Abigail's initial velocity, with some questioning the correctness of their calculations and the signs used in their equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on checking signs and using substitution or elimination methods to solve the system of equations. There is ongoing exploration of the correct approach to calculating initial velocities, particularly for Abigail, with varying interpretations of the trigonometric functions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of using coordinate systems and the implications of direction in their calculations. There is mention of needing to adjust angles based on their understanding of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



You and your friends are doing physics experiments on a frozen pond that serves as a frictionless, horizontal surface. Sam, with mass 72.0 kg, is given a push and slides eastward. Abigail, with mass 54.0 kg, is sent sliding northward. They collide, and after the collision Sam is moving at 36.0 degrees north of east with a speed of 5.80 m/s and Abigail is moving at 15.0 degrees south of east with a speed of 8.80 m/s.

Part A:
What was the speed of each person before the collision?
Sam's speed:
Abigail speed:

Part B:
By how much did the total kinetic energy of the two people decrease during the collision?

Homework Equations



The momentum on initial x = momentum on final x

The momentum on initial y = momentum on final y

m1 = Sam, m2 = Abby
mv = momentum


The Attempt at a Solution



on x:
(72.0 kg)(unknown) + (54.0 kg)(0 m/s) = (72.0 kg)(5.80cos36)+(54.0 kg)(8.80 cos15)

on y:

(72.0 kg)(0)+(54.0 kg)(unknown) = (72.0 kg)(5.80sin36)+(54 kg)(8.80sin15)

Sam = 11.067 m/s
Abby = 6.823 m/s

I also need help for Part B.

Am I approaching this problem correctly? Thanks.
 
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Alright, I know Sam's initial velocity is 11.1 m/s for sure.

I am doing something wrong when calculating Abby's initial velocity, but I'm not sure what.

I did do (72.0 kg)(11.1 m/s) = (54.0 kg)(initial velocity) and received 14.8 m/s.

I think this is right, however, I do not know how to calculate the answer the way I was suppose to(using y-coords).
 
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Check your signs, but your equations look correct. Since you have two equations and two unknowns it is a solvable system of equations. If you need helping solving the system, I would use substitution or you could try elimination.
 
therealnihl said:
Check your signs, but your equations look correct. Since you have two equations and two unknowns it is a solvable system of equations. If you need helping solving the system, I would use substitution or you could try elimination.

When I re-did the y-coords, I found that if I took 90 degrees minus the degrees given, then I would get 14.8 m/s.

For example, sin15 should have been sin75, and sin 36 should have been sin56.

Does this seem alright?
 
I changed Abigail's final velocity to negative since it has direction. It worked.

Thanks therealnihl.
 

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