Collisions and loss of kinetic energy

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a head-on collision between two particles with different masses and velocities. Participants are working through the equations governing the collision, including the conservation of momentum and the coefficient of restitution, while also attempting to derive the expression for the loss of kinetic energy in the system.

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  • One participant presents the initial conditions and equations for the collision, including the conservation of momentum and the law of restitution.
  • Another participant points out a potential sign mistake in the first equation related to momentum conservation.
  • There are discussions about the complexity of deriving the loss of kinetic energy and suggestions to work backwards from the desired form of the answer.
  • A participant shares a detailed mathematical manipulation of the kinetic energy loss formula, but notes that their results differ from what was expected.
  • One participant expresses that they have resolved their confusion and found the answer after revisiting their calculations.

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Participants generally agree on the approach to solving the problem, but there are discrepancies in the calculations and interpretations of the equations, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their equations and the steps taken to derive the loss of kinetic energy, highlighting the complexity and potential for error in the calculations.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in understanding collision mechanics, particularly in the context of momentum conservation and energy loss in elastic and inelastic collisions.

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Could someone please check my answers so far for this question as its getting very messy so I'm not sure if I've made a mistake :/

Two particles of masses 2m and m are moving along the x−axis with constant velocities u1i and u2i respectively, where u1 > u2. They collide ‘head on’, and the coefficient of restitution of the collision is e. Find the velocities of each of the particles after the collision, and show that the loss in the kinetic energy of the system of two particles is:

$\frac{(1-e^2)m(u_1-u_2)^2}{3}$

so far I have:
the velocities of the particles after impact are v1=v1i and v2=v2i

so 2mu1i-mu2i=2mv1+mv2
ie 2mu1-mu2=2mv1+mv2 (which is my first equation)

then from the law of restitution:
e(u1-u2)=v1-v2 (second equation)

solving the 2 equations I get
v1=1/3((e+2)u1-(e+1)u2)
v2=1/3((2-2e)u1+(2e-1)u2)

the to get the loss of kinetic energy:
(1/2*2m*(v1)2+1/2*m*(v2)2)-(m*(u1)2+1/2*m*(u2)2)

but obviously (v1)2 and (v2)2 gets very messy

Thanks x
 
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Hi Carla1985!

Messy or not, it seems to me you're going the right way.
You did seem to make a sign mistake in your first equation (it should be $2mu_1+mu_2$).
You may want to correct that before getting into the messy stuff. ;)
 
Thats great, I'l keep at it then. Thank you :)
 
I cannot for the life of me get this into the form i need it in :/
 
Have you tried working backwards from the form you're supposed to prove? Not an ideal method of solution, but it can sometimes get the job done.
 
thats what I'm attempting atm :)
 
are the first two equations then:
2mu1-mu2=2mv1+mv2
e(u1-u2)=v1-v2​as I seem to lose the 1/3 when I do that?
 
Hmm. So you've got
$$ \frac{(1-e^{2})m(u_{1}-u_{2})^{2}}{3}
= \frac{\left(1- \left( \frac{v_{1}-v_{2}}{u_{1}-u_{2}} \right)^{2}\right)m(u_{1}-u_{2})^{2}}{3}
= \frac{\left(\frac{(u_{1}-u_{2})^{2} - (v_{1}-v_{2})^{2}}{(u_{1}-u_{2})^{2}}\right)m(u_{1}-u_{2})^{2}}{3}$$
$$= \frac{\left((u_{1}-u_{2})^{2} - (v_{1}-v_{2})^{2}\right)m}{3}
= \frac{m(u_{1}^{2}- 2u_{1}u_{2}+u_{2}^{2} - v_{1}^{2}+ 2 v_{1}v_{2} - v_{2}^{2})}{3}.$$

I have to run right now. Is this what you get?
 
no, but I went right back and I think I've managed to get the answer :D thanks for the help x
 

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