Collisions Impulse; Balls dropped from same height.

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In the discussion regarding two balls dropped from the same height, it is established that mechanical energy is not conserved for each ball individually upon collision with the ground, as some kinetic energy is lost to the ground. Ball A bounces higher than Ball B due to differences in energy transfer, indicating that Ball B experiences a greater loss of kinetic energy. The impulse experienced by each ball is not the same, as the change in momentum differs between the two, despite the third law of motion suggesting equal impulses in collisions. The analysis concludes that the ball-earth system may conserve mechanical energy overall, but individual ball behavior varies significantly.

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Homework Statement



Two balls with the same mass are dropped from the same height. After colliding with the ground, one of the balls "A" bounces higher than the other ball "B." Neglect air resistance.

Is mechanical energy conserved ?
Are they subjected to the same impulse after colliding with the ground?

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I'm kind of confused by this problem. For the first question, I assume the balls would hit the ground at the same time and with the same velocity (note the problem does not state anything about an initial velocity, so maybe I'm wrong to assume that, but "dropped" to me kind of implies vi=0) regardless of their masses.

The collision is elastic, usually kinetic energy is conserved for "perfectly" elastic collisions, in this case I suppose some of the kinetic energy of ball B has been transferred to the ground, also for ball "A" but Apparently ball "B" loses more kinetic energy during collision since it doesn't rebound as high. Maybe the rigidity of the bodies could account for that?

The mechanical energy of the ball is not being conserved, and there must of been some transfer of energy and momentum to the ground. Of course, the problem does not specify what the system is, but for anyone of the balls, I do not think mechanical energy is being conserved. But if we're talking about the ball-earth system, wouldn't mechanical energy be conserved? I think so.

For the impulse part of the question, clearly one of the balls has underwent a lower change in momentum. Therefore, I don't think impulse is the same for both of them. I know when objects collide the third law requires impulse to be the same, but the balls aren't colliding with each other. So impulse is not the same right?
 
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AdkinsJr said:
but "dropped" to me kind of implies vi=0
Sure.
AdkinsJr said:
Maybe the rigidity of the bodies could account for that?
Or some other detail - you don't have to know what causes the difference.
Do you know that A loses kinetic energy?
AdkinsJr said:
But if we're talking about the ball-earth system, wouldn't mechanical energy be conserved? I think so.
Let the balls bounce a few more times until they stay at the ground. Is the mechanical energy still in the ball-earth system? How does that transfer to the single bounce here?
AdkinsJr said:
For the impulse part of the question, clearly one of the balls has underwent a lower change in momentum. Therefore, I don't think impulse is the same for both of them. I know when objects collide the third law requires impulse to be the same, but the balls aren't colliding with each other. So impulse is not the same right?
Right. I think you should also add a direct comparison.
 
AdkinsJr said:
some of the kinetic energy of ball B has been transferred to the ground,
Mostly, the lost work will have been turned into heat within the ball.
 

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